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Evolution of flight
An interesting article positing a new use of wings in proto-birds, which suggests their evolutionary advantage:
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It's interesting that this has only just appeared, because it's included as one of the possible precursors of flight in the Dinobirds exhibition at the Natural History Museum in London, which opened last summer. Here's an extract from the website that mentions Dr Dial and his research:
"Studying living animals can throw light on their evolutionary past. Dr Ken Dial of Flight Lab, Montana University, USA, noticed the ability of gamebird chicks to escape danger by scrambling up vertical surfaces. The chicks first run very fast, flapping their immature, partially feathered wings, frantically creating enough momentum to run up a vertical surface to safety. Could this survival instinct be the origin of flight?" Click here |
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Albion, you beat me to saying that The exhibition even includes looped video footage of the birds doing this weird running-up-trees thing.
The DinoBird Exhibition is completely brilliant. The 'fuzzy raptor', for instance -- I'm at a loss to describe how much more impressive (and beautiful) it is in the flesh, er, in the rock , compared to photos. And 'it' is both the slab and the counter-slab... marvellous! Do get there if you are in the UK at all, anyone, anywhere in the UK. The alternative, I gather, is a trip to China. DT |
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Doing a quick search for Dial, I found that he's had this hypothesis for at least a couple of years. Here's an abstract in American Zoologist that suggested the WAIR:
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New Theory on the Evolution of Flight
I ran across this, and thought I'd bring it here for your perusal:
Flap over dino flight origins And just so you can say you heard it here first: <cretinist> "See, evilutionists can't even agree on how birds evolved, this is just a guess. wheres the half-bird half-dinosaur?" </cretinist> --W@L |
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University of Montana! My alma mater (for my masters).
And in spite of the scorn that most on this board direct at my field of study, I am a wild life biologist. We actually deal with living things rather than just think about them. |
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Another well written summary can be found at Scientific American.
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Just received the Dinobirds book from amazon.co.uk; it wasn't out when I visited, but it's a lovely souvenier. Did you see Chris Groves at the BBC board dismiss dinobirds as just birds? With those long bony tails so clearly evident in the fossils? Boggles the mind. |
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Videos
There are some pretty neat videos of the experiments Dial did: http://biology.umt.edu/flightlab/videos.htm
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