Darth Dane

Ronin, we are discussing the logics based on this assumption, we can conduct another discussion that God is not, in another thread of your choosing. and discuss the logic of your argument there.

Sorry about that, DD. I (and others) was just dealing with another bit of Magus Rantus Threadus Interrptus.

You were tempted and you fell for your lust/pride/x?
The devil in your eye tempted you.
And you even knew the rules. (God Is)


Given the existence of God, and that the universe is not God, that sounds reasonable. But you may run into some objections along the "omniscient, omnipresent" line: If God is defined as omniscient/omnipresent, then wouldn't he know or be able to sense the "objective" perspective?

Then God is a paradox, that can only be understood as something absurd, to human reasoning in any case. Hence Koans like "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" and so on is used for zen diciples to "break through" the mind.

If God is in a rythm between subjective and objective Reality, just like breathing or some sort, that could explain it.

Or we must conclude that God is both the subjective Reality(ours) and the objective Reality(Gods)

Also the definitions are by humans, or God through humans, but humans are flawed, so maybe some of those descriptions are not entirely correct?




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Mageth

Also the definitions are by humans, or God through humans, but humans are flawed, so maybe some of those descriptions are not entirely correct?

I think you hit the nail on the head there. As soon as one says "God exists..." and starts trying to define it, one's opened up a big can of contradictions and paradoxes.

Ronin

That is why I offered ~ my mistake, DD...and suggested that you continue with your whimsical musings aka 'logics based on the assumption that God exists'.

That said, however, the mere observance that 'God' has to be theorized in such ways speaks volumes as to whether or not there actually is one.

What is your direct position on the issue, Sri Spliff?

Darth Dane

That said, however, the mere observance that 'God' has to be theorized in such ways speaks volumes as to whether or not there actually is one.

What is your direct position on the issue, Sri Spliff?

How so, or better make a new thread!?

This is a discussion outside this threads working parameters.




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winstonjen

I don't think many of us have said we WANT to go to heaven. In fact, it's people like you that turn us away from it all.

How are we supposed to understand and believe something so self-contradictory and atrocious as the bible? Oh that's right - we're not supposed to have our own thoughts, we're supposed to be aimless, blind sheep.

And as for pride and arrogance - YOU think you'll be in eternal bliss when you die, WE think we will simply stop existing. NOW who's being ARROGANT?

Darth Dane

Take your personnal discussion out of the thread please, you wouyld think you would be able to do this, or are you just like children? Not that it is either good or bad, just not so practical for the discussion at hand.

There is also another side again.

God in God's wisdom knew that Humans would perceive God's word flawed, so God made the words in such a way that teh flawed way humans perceive it in, would result in the true words.

God's words were flawed in such a way that teh flawed perception of man led to the correct words of God to be revealed.




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winstonjen

Then why is it that there is STILL disagreement among different denominations of Christianity, and even infighting among some 'brands' as to what is the 'true' interpretation?

Darth Dane

Then why is it that there is STILL disagreement among different denominations of Christianity, and even infighting among some 'brands' as to what is the 'true' interpretation?

Because all humans have a subjective perspective, and thus are equal as a possible interpretation of the bible and my theory. Some are more likely perhaps than others. The problem is that humans won't let others live in their own light or interpretation, we are not talking preaching, but the killing of others, or treating them disrespectful because the others are, according to their interpretation, sinners. But all are sinners from some perspective.

It's not important how you interpret the text, but how you live. If your interpretation leads you to judging or acting in a way that is bad, then your interpretation is not i sync with that of Jesus' words. Love and forgiveness, be a good human being.





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GrandDesigner

I'll agree with that but it doesn't only have to only be through Jesus' words. I think it's all around. Whether atheist or theist or whatever, if you're acting out in bad ways, you're not seeing things the only way they can be seen. And I did used to see things in a bad way so I know that no matter what goes on, your perception of things is what counts. Your perception is what makes life seem good or bad. I always see things as good now and I cant say I wont see them as bad again but I realize what power of perception holds. But what I'm saying is that you dont have to read it in the Bible or any book. It's in everything. And yes, it surrounds and binds us.

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Darth Dane

I'll agree with that but it doesn't only have to only be through Jesus' words.

Of course not, but teh reason I chose Jesus, is because of the message of Love and forgiveness and compassion.

I think it's all around. Whether atheist or theist or whatever, if you're acting out in bad ways, you're not seeing things the only way they can be seen. And I did used to see things in a bad way so I know that no matter what goes on, your perception of things is what counts. Your perception is what makes life seem good or bad. I always see things as good now and I cant say I wont see them as bad again but I realize what power of perception holds.

Yes, perception is really a powerfull force.

But what I'm saying is that you dont have to read it in the Bible or any book. It's in everything. And yes, it surrounds and binds us.


Of course, open your eyes, and you'll see, wake in the morning and hear the voice of the birds and you'll hear.

To choose Love requires no reading skills





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