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ashe · 08-16-2003, 08:07 PM

I have noticed a few people using the 'here' version of this exclamation.

For your edification, "Hear, hear" is the original and still correct form. "Here, here" seems to have appeared because here and hear are homophones. Of course, if you are not interested in playing the 'language correctness' game, please feel free to ignore this post; I come in peace.

A few sites..
http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/178100.html

Also,

"Idiom:
hear, hear

Used to express approval.

Source: The American Heritage� Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright � 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved."
- from dictionary.com, search for "hear"

Further, if you search for "here" on dictionary.com, there is a distinct absence of 'here, here' idiom definitions.

Thanks for reading

ashe

RevDahlia · 08-16-2003, 09:27 PM

THANK YOU. "Here, here" drives me NUTS and I'm glad someone else decided to play the heavy.

Farren · 08-16-2003, 09:29 PM

I always want to respond

Where, where?

(reads location)

Oh, Oakland, CA, USA. Why there?

RevDahlia · 08-16-2003, 09:33 PM

It sucks considerably less than the last place I lived, is why.

Hear, hear!

ashe · 08-16-2003, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RevDahlia
THANK YOU. "Here, here" drives me NUTS and I'm glad someone else decided to play the heavy.

Hear, hear!

Enlighten Me · 08-16-2003, 10:02 PM

...which raises the question-- what can the phrase "There, there...." mean? As in, "There, there.....everything will be OK..."

jkizer · 08-16-2003, 10:17 PM

Yeah, all those people that always tell me it's "hear, hear" are so misguided, it drives me nuts. I mean...

huh? Ohhhhhh...uhh...right...I'll just be hiding under a rock now.

Maybe "There, there" is some kind of psychological transference thing -- "visualize your safe place, take your anger/sorrow/etc., and put it there, there." Looking back at what I just wrote, however, I have to admit that even as amateurish etymologies (?) go, that's pretty strained.

missus_gumby · 08-17-2003, 12:24 AM

What's that I hear here? We want this thread moved to Misc Disc? OK then, off we go!

Martin

MrFrosty · 08-17-2003, 12:45 AM

Dont' forget that American BS of "I could care less" when it should be "I couldn't care less" to express complete indifference.

To date, I have never ever seen a British person screw this up...

Somebody please come up with a rational explanation why Americans should mangle this phrase.

Chicken Girl · 08-17-2003, 12:52 AM

some people think n't... less is a double negative.

other people are just plain lazy and/or stupid.

08-16-2003, 08:07 PM	#1
ashe Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: _ Posts: 1,651	"Here, here!" vs. "Hear, hear!" I have noticed a few people using the 'here' version of this exclamation. For your edification, "Hear, hear" is the original and still correct form. "Here, here" seems to have appeared because here and hear are homophones. Of course, if you are not interested in playing the 'language correctness' game, please feel free to ignore this post; I come in peace. A few sites.. http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/178100.html Also, "Idiom: hear, hear Used to express approval. Source: The American Heritage� Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright � 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved." - from dictionary.com, search for "hear" Further, if you search for "here" on dictionary.com, there is a distinct absence of 'here, here' idiom definitions. Thanks for reading ashe

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08-16-2003, 09:27 PM	#2
RevDahlia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 4,930	THANK YOU. "Here, here" drives me NUTS and I'm glad someone else decided to play the heavy.

08-16-2003, 09:29 PM	#3
Farren Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: South Africa Posts: 2,194	I always want to respond Where, where? (reads location) Oh, Oakland, CA, USA. Why there?

08-16-2003, 09:33 PM	#4
RevDahlia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 4,930	It sucks considerably less than the last place I lived, is why. Hear, hear!

08-16-2003, 10:02 PM	#6
Enlighten Me Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Ca. Posts: 1,109	...which raises the question-- what can the phrase "There, there...." mean? As in, "There, there.....everything will be OK..."

08-16-2003, 10:17 PM	#7
jkizer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Columbus, Ohio, USA Posts: 93	Yeah, all those people that always tell me it's "hear, hear" are so misguided, it drives me nuts. I mean... huh? Ohhhhhh...uhh...right...I'll just be hiding under a rock now. Maybe "There, there" is some kind of psychological transference thing -- "visualize your safe place, take your anger/sorrow/etc., and put it there, there." Looking back at what I just wrote, however, I have to admit that even as amateurish etymologies (?) go, that's pretty strained.

08-17-2003, 12:24 AM	#8
missus_gumby Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	What's that I hear here? We want this thread moved to Misc Disc? OK then, off we go! Martin

08-17-2003, 12:45 AM	#9
MrFrosty Moderator - Miscellaneous Discussions Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Shenzhen, S.E. China (UK ex-pat) Posts: 14,249	Dont' forget that American BS of "I could care less" when it should be "I couldn't care less" to express complete indifference. To date, I have never ever seen a British person screw this up... Somebody please come up with a rational explanation why Americans should mangle this phrase.

08-17-2003, 12:52 AM	#10
Chicken Girl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 6,549	some people think n't... less is a double negative. other people are just plain lazy and/or stupid.

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