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Theli · 01-01-2003, 03:39 PM

It comes down to a simple choice, is abortion right or wrong?

99Percent · 01-01-2003, 03:53 PM

Bad poll. Unfortunately, the question is not so simple.

psimons · 01-01-2003, 04:21 PM

It's not a question of right or wrong. It's a question of choice.

Dr. Retard · 01-01-2003, 04:56 PM

Well, yeah, it is a question of right and wrong. At least when it comes to 'the abortion debate', the one that has prompted so much discussion in the past 30 years. Maybe you're talking about something else?

The problem with the poll is that there are many questions of right and wrong.

Is it ever right to perform an abortion?
Is it right under the following circumstances (e.g., mother's life at stake, child will be deformed, partial-birth)?
Is it right for government to ban all abortions?
Is it right for government to ban all abortions, save those in the following circumstances (same)?
Is it right for government to fund abortions?

Part of the problem with the abortion debate is that we mix up these different questions.

Garbles18 · 01-01-2003, 09:19 PM

I agree. It just isn't a simple yes or no answer. I could be for abortion rights but believe it to not be moral because it is a necessary evil. Or I could be against abortion itself but believe it to be moral because letting women choose what to do with their bodies is the moral thing to do. Too bad there isn't a third option because I don't want to take the poll with the lack of choice responses.

01-01-2003, 09:22 PM

I did vote in the affirmative, however I don't like the way you phrased the question. Abortion is not inherently moral. It's not always the moral thing to do when one is pregnant. It's the freedom to choose abortion which is important. The ability to fit this freedom into a moral belief system is what I affirm.

abe smith · 01-03-2003, 07:06 AM

A WOMAN'S BODY BELONGS TO HERSELF! And her "right" to decide what she does with it is absolute!
NO-ONE! no law nor government nor spouse nor parent nor religion nor pope nor anyone nor anything else has any right at all to tell a woman that she MUST carry & birth a conceptus; nor also, that she MUST abort it. The decision is HERS: including her right also to say that she wants someone-else to make the decision FOR her.

Jamie_L · 01-03-2003, 11:38 AM

I concur. Bad poll. Is shooting someone moral or immoral?

One comment: No person's right to decide what to do with their body is absolute in a moral sense. I do not have the moral right to use my body to strangle someone to death.

When human beings willingly engage in an activity that they know has the potential to result in creation of a human life, morality does enter the picture. It doesn't necessarily follow that abortion in all situations is immoral, amoral, or moral. That's a big debate.

Jamie

L. Noctivagans · 01-03-2003, 12:29 PM

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A WOMAN'S BODY BELONGS TO HERSELF!

True.

However, the fetus is not the woman's body. It's a future human's body. Unless that body is physically threatening the well-being of the mother's body, her legal right to self-defense doesn't come into the equation.

Abortion should be a medical procedure, not a contraceptive procedure. Period. When used because "I just don't want a baby", it's nothing more than preemptive infanticide.

dshimel · 01-03-2003, 02:33 PM

I had to answer no. Not because it is immoral, simple becuase it is neither moral nor immoral. The circumstances of the abortion determine the morality or immorality of the choice.

If abortion were moral, then it would be the right thing to do in all circumstances. Clearly it is not.

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Yes	72	91.14%
No	7	8.86%
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01-01-2003, 03:39 PM	#1
Theli Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,567	The official abortion Poll! It comes down to a simple choice, is abortion right or wrong?

01-03-2003, 07:06 AM	#7
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	AAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH! A WOMAN'S BODY BELONGS TO HERSELF! And her "right" to decide what she does with it is absolute! NO-ONE! no law nor government nor spouse nor parent nor religion nor pope nor anyone nor anything else has any right at all to tell a woman that she MUST carry & birth a conceptus; nor also, that she MUST abort it. The decision is HERS: including her right also to say that she wants someone-else to make the decision FOR her.

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01-01-2003, 03:53 PM	#2
99Percent Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: my mind Posts: 5,996	Bad poll. Unfortunately, the question is not so simple.

01-01-2003, 04:21 PM	#3
psimons New Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: homemaker Posts: 2	It's not a question of right or wrong. It's a question of choice.

01-01-2003, 04:56 PM	#4
Dr. Retard Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona, USA Posts: 735	Well, yeah, it is a question of right and wrong. At least when it comes to 'the abortion debate', the one that has prompted so much discussion in the past 30 years. Maybe you're talking about something else? The problem with the poll is that there are many questions of right and wrong. Is it ever right to perform an abortion? Is it right under the following circumstances (e.g., mother's life at stake, child will be deformed, partial-birth)? Is it right for government to ban all abortions? Is it right for government to ban all abortions, save those in the following circumstances (same)? Is it right for government to fund abortions? Part of the problem with the abortion debate is that we mix up these different questions.

01-01-2003, 09:19 PM	#5
Garbles18 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lafayette, IN Posts: 43	I agree. It just isn't a simple yes or no answer. I could be for abortion rights but believe it to not be moral because it is a necessary evil. Or I could be against abortion itself but believe it to be moral because letting women choose what to do with their bodies is the moral thing to do. Too bad there isn't a third option because I don't want to take the poll with the lack of choice responses.

01-01-2003, 09:22 PM	#6
Jagged Guest Posts: n/a	I did vote in the affirmative, however I don't like the way you phrased the question. Abortion is not inherently moral. It's not always the moral thing to do when one is pregnant. It's the freedom to choose abortion which is important. The ability to fit this freedom into a moral belief system is what I affirm.

01-03-2003, 11:38 AM	#8
Jamie_L Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,565	I concur. Bad poll. Is shooting someone moral or immoral? One comment: No person's right to decide what to do with their body is absolute in a moral sense. I do not have the moral right to use my body to strangle someone to death. When human beings willingly engage in an activity that they know has the potential to result in creation of a human life, morality does enter the picture. It doesn't necessarily follow that abortion in all situations is immoral, amoral, or moral. That's a big debate. Jamie

01-03-2003, 02:33 PM	#10
dshimel Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 297	I had to answer no. Not because it is immoral, simple becuase it is neither moral nor immoral. The circumstances of the abortion determine the morality or immorality of the choice. If abortion were moral, then it would be the right thing to do in all circumstances. Clearly it is not.

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