Apikorus

John, I see. So the bible is speaking loosely. When it says that the earth is "fixed" it only means it is "approximately fixed". I suppose that there are many other examples where it says X but means only "approximately" or "metaphorically" X.

Perhaps, then, we shouldn't take all this stuff about six "days" of creation literally, especially when Genesis 1 says the sun and moon were created on the same (fourth!) day!.

Incidentally, are you saying that anything which does not "wander aimlessly" is "fixed"? I want to make sure I understand your godly reasoning.

Finally, I do not "reject" the entire contents of the Bible. Indeed some parts of the Hebrew Bible clearly are historical, with names and battles corroborated in the Assyrian annals. But that doesn't mean the mythic/legendary elements are true, any more than it does with other ancient writings. There really was a Troy, for example (Schliemann discovered it), but that doesn't mean that the Illiad is unswervingly historical. The name "Gilgamesh" appears on the Sumerian king list, but that doesn't mean that he and Enkidu slew the Humbaba, or that Gilgamesh journeyed to visit the immortal Utnapishtim. Similarly, the fact that the name of the Judaean king Hezekiah is mentioned in e.g. the Sennacherib prism inscription doesn't mean that the shadow on his sundial moved backwards, as the legendary account in the Bible claims. It's a matter of common sense, John! (Plus a little historical perspective.)

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Vibr8gKiwi

Details of evolution are in debate as the theory matures, however there really is no doubt over evolution in general except for a very few who think their religion conflicts with it.

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Jeremy Pallant

I don't know, John. I think maybe I get it from you.

Anyway, I'm not moving on. I mentioned insects in the very first thread. After all the concentration on hares, I figured it would never get a mention, but someone else brought it up.

After all, if I hadn't at least made an attempt to address the issue, you would have made a point of asking why I hadn't addressed Blakader's post.

Jack the Bodiless

And I will say briefly that we all know this is NOT the subject of intense debate among those who know what they are talking about: no more than (for instance) flat-Earthism is among geographers and airline pilots.

There is absolutely NO evidence that is directly contradictory.
Rejection of the worldview of a profoundly ignorant tribe with absolutely no clue about origins is petty?

Not once have you ever given us any justification for why the worldview of this tribe should be taken as the default position, Vanderzyden!

And have we now established that these people were flat-Earthers? I think this issue is now settled.

Vanderzyden, you will never find any evidence to support your belief that the authors of the Bible knew that the Earth was spherical, OR that it orbits the Sun. Why do you persist in trying to pretend that they had knowledge that they simply did not have?

Why are you so incapable of accepting the obvious? You still haven't explained why you wish to defend the indefensible, to close your eyes to this reality. To avoid any attempt to simply seek the truth, wherever it may take you.

Why is this?

Butters

Posted by John V,

Hi Rad! I heard you were hanging out here. I saw the funniest thing today - Clemson isn't getting any posts, and they're blaming us for it. Guess we're going to all the christians on the internet and telling them to stay away, or something. I've been banned there - maybe if they want christian input they shouldn't ban Christians!
Anyway, on this topic, here's a fun case of an atheist getting spanked on the pi=3 thing.

Also, as has been pointed out, the bat and insect bit is merely definitional.

Jesus H. Christ!
Are you guys crazy, and thats why you believe all this crap.
Or do you try to believe all this crap, and that drives you crazy.

Getting spanked? Or getting unloaded on because he asked a math question, without saying it was a math question regarding the Bible so that the answer could be modified?

O.K. I now believe PI=3, Bats are birds, some insects have four legs, (OOPS, almost forgot the four legged birds., and by the way, I just spotted a unicorn in my backyard, excuse me while I go pray about it.

K

Jack:

It's the Christian's lot in life.

JohnV

Getting spanked. Experimental measures are not exact numbers, as the math doctors correctly pointed out.

Radorth

Hey John V!

ROFLOL! So my prediction came true. What a shock.

I don't suppose it occurred to them their completely uncensored responses had anything to do with it. You may get blamed for various problems here, but this forum is actually moderated.

I lost your e-mail when I was fixing a computer problem.

Rad

luvluv

I haven't read the whole thread, but I have a comment.

If the Bible had errors, would that prove the Christian God does not exist?

What do you think of a Christian who believes that there are errors in the Bible?