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Radorth · 02-15-2003, 09:08 AM

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Man I wish I could use my own assertions to prove my own assertions. I'd be done with my thesis already.

And the counter arguments amout to "Waaaah. I don't like the way the big meanie God saved the whole world." Wow. I'm stunned by this argument. For one thing, whether you agree or not, "without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins."

Ask Dr. Rick for tips on making convincing gratuitous assertions. The choir here is apparently quite content with them, including this gem:

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There is no logical reason to assume disobedience must result in suffering, and no logical argument has been provided to show why it must.

I can provide 45,000 examples of how disobedience to God causes suffering. But who cares? If it ain't logical to Dr. Rick it can't be so. Perhaps your professor will let you off the hook if you just assert that examples make no difference if they are "illogical."

Rad

"The wisdom of God is foolishness to men."

Yellum Notnef · 02-15-2003, 09:49 AM

I`m quite sure that perceptive readers have concluded that Radorth can not answer my very simple questions.

Radorth · 02-15-2003, 10:12 AM

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This shows his limited knowledge of the future. Jesus was not omniscient.

No he wasn't. And there are other examples of his lack of it. What does that prove? This thread is about God's power and purposes and the meaning of the cross. Our points are not thwarted because Jesus was not omniscient in the flesh. I've already shown that a "good" God has no need of complete omniscience. You have simply made up your own definition of God to disprove he is God. Where is Scombrid and Philosoft anyway?

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Remember that Satan or Lucifer took him up on a high mountaiin top and showed Jesus all of the nations of the world. He couldn't see all of the spherical planet at "a moment in time."

Of course not. He couldn't have seen them even if the earth was flat. When something is so obviously not possible, you do not take it literally. You didn't quote the whole verse. The devil showed him all the kingdoms "and their glory." Obviously the devil is talking about something intrinsic and invisible as well as what might be seen with the eye. Are you saying Jesus was so dumb, he thought there was nothing beyond what he could see?

You might consider reading the Bible before commenting on it next time. When skeptics use it, we usually find they haven't even quoted it correctly, have removed verses from context or interpret obvious metaphors literally. You may say I am "finding a way around it." In this case I call it target practice.

There are far more difficult things to explain but we seldom see them brought out.

Rad

Radorth · 02-15-2003, 10:20 AM

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I`m quite sure that perceptive readers have concluded that Radorth can not answer my very simple questions.

Or that you can't connect wearing clothes with the Eden story. I imagine a few harken back to their days in middle school watching a bunch of kids lobbing inane questions and abuse at somebody who dared argue with them.

I'll never forget Hudson taking Kirby to task for for daring to ask for proof that Christians used midrash so exclusively and plentifully. It's unbelievable what counts for "free-thinking" here, just unbelievable.

Rad

Yellum Notnef · 02-15-2003, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
There are far more difficult things to explain but we seldom see them brought out.

Rad

Yeah like explaing to me where the sin came from that Jesus died to pay for.

Radorth · 02-15-2003, 10:26 AM

We invented it. Where do you say it came from?

Oh wait, you don't really have any do you?

Rad

Yellum Notnef · 02-15-2003, 10:26 AM

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Or that you can't connect wearing clothes with the Eden story. I imagine a few harken back to their days in middle school watching a bunch of kids lobbing inane questions and abuse at somebody who dared argue with them.

Rad

This has nothing to do with me and I don`t give a crap about your Eden joke. The fact of the matter is that all you can do is make jokes since you can`t provide a REAL answer to my question.

Just answer the question Radorth. WHERE did the sin come from the Jesus died to pay for?

Stop being a weasel and answer my question. You are quickly losing any shreds of credibilty you might have had here.

Yellum Notnef · 02-15-2003, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth

I'll never forget Hudson taking Kirby to task for for daring to ask for proof that Christians used midrash so exclusively and plentifully. It's unbelievable what counts for "free-thinking" here, just unbelievable.

This has NOTHING at all to do with my question. Stop playing games Radorth.

Yellum Notnef · 02-15-2003, 10:30 AM

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We invented it. Where do you say it came from?

Oh wait, you don't really have any do you?

Rad

Huh? This is not an answer Radorth.

Yellum Notnef · 02-15-2003, 10:39 AM

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I imagine a few harken back to their days in middle school watching a bunch of kids lobbing inane questions and abuse at somebody who dared argue with them.

All I want is for you to tell me where the sin came from that Jesus died to pay for.
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