Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Magus55
A baby is not an atheist, or an agnostic because they can't make that choice.

How do you reconcile this with Jesus's claim that "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the father except through me"? Does Jesus automatically give salvation to babiesa and are there bible verses to back any such claims up?

And God was active in people's lives in Genesis. God told them what He wanted and what was wrong.

Does this go for all people, whether they were in Asia, Australia, Europe or the Americas? Where in the bible does it say that God told all the people in the world what he wanted?

winstonjen

I have read Genesis several times the whole way through, and more of the rest of the bible than most Christians can claim. There is NOTHING in what I have read that says 'god told everyone in the world what was sin and what he wanted, and they disobeyed so he drowned the whole damn lot (except for Noah's family, which Yahweh thinks will look cute together in incestuous relationships).' Nothing about that, or anything close.

This is most likely another one of your made-up examples to justify your beliefs - althought whether the justification is to us, yourself or both, I have no idea.

What's the difference? In both cases, they don't have a belief in your diety.

Magus:

Well, for a start, would you accept a university graduate into a position in your company if all of his/her assignments and exams were completed by someone else?

Mageth

Care to explain how you came to the conclusion that Revelation isn't future history?

Somehow, when you say that, it sounds so comical. I guess that's because you believe someone 2000 years ago could record "future history."

Jesus ain't coming back for ya, nor is he coming back to kill me and toss me in hell, Magus. It disturbs me deeply that anyone could believe such ancient superstitious nonsense in this day and age.

As I said, if you want to find out what the metaphors of Revelation were really referring to (and it was past or current history of the time, not some as-yet-to-be-realized future history), pose the question in the BC&H thread.

Is alot of it metaphorical? Yes. Are the events and purpose for those metaphors real, yes. Its a combination of metaphoric and historical prophecy.

Nope, 100% metaphor, perhaps metaphorical for some real historical events of the time, but not metaphorical for anything yet to be.

Mageth, you can stop trying to convince me the Bible is all fake, and God isn't real. I don't care whether you think so - you will never convince me it is, just like I will never convince you that God is real.

I'm not trying to convince you that the bible is all fake or that god isn't real; really, Magus. I'd be glad if I could just get you to seriously examine your beliefs. As a believer, I examined similar beliefs (for I once believed much the same as you do), and actually, being present on these boards, I continue to examine them.

Magus55

Mageth - outta curiosity - what would your reaction be, if Jesus did return?

And, iv'e examined my faith. Even after being on this board, my faith has only gotten stronger. I see the atheists here fulfilling the Bible and showing me that its true - and that God warned of people who would do just what you all are doing. Iv'e seen prophecies regarding Israel being fulfilled, and I see the Bible playing itself out as we fight over the Middle East, and attempt to bring peace there. Exactly as the Bible said would happen. It isn't a coincidence that Israel is the most fought over and news making country in the world on a daily basis. And don't give me the crap about Israel staging all the terrorism that goes on there to make it look like a prophecy is fulfilled ( and yes many on this board said the 6 day war against Israel, where they had no chance to win against 5 other more powerful nations, was staged just to fulfill a 3000 year old prophecy.)

Iv'e examined quite extensively, and still don't plan on abandoning it. God said unbelievers would be blinded from the truth, and seek the darkness over the light. I'm not surprised that you think the Bible is a big myth and a joke. God said thats how you'd react. You aren't aware of it, but the more i'm on this board - listening to you all shoot down the Bible and insult God constantly, the more i realize the Bible is true because you are acting just like the Bible said you would.

winstonjen

I can't speak for Mageth, but I'd tell him that a 'sacrifice' that is roughly equivalent to a clipped toenail counts for nothing. I'd also ask him why he didn't just abolish hell, or stop making it eternal.

If god just lets people be blinded to the truth, he is just as guilty as people who go out and deceive others. God is not the 'good guy' in the bible.

hezekiah jones

Originally posted by Magus55
An unbeliever is one, who can understand morality and God, but choose to reject it - Atheist for example.

Atheists reject morality? Don't be so ignorant.

winstonjen

Well, according to his religion, you can't be moral without a belief in god. Sad, isn't it. What about those people who were alive before religion? :boohoo:

But then again, according to the bible, there are no such people.

hezekiah jones

Yes it is extremely sad, and the fact we find it pathetic is pretty good evidence atheists are more than capable of entertaining, and in fact embracing, notions of morality.

Even better evidence is the fact that I realize I must stop reading Magus' posts, because they're so fucking stupid they make me want to say something immoral, which violates the board rules, which also subsume notions of morality, and they were formulated by atheists.

winstonjen

While theists sometimes are simply entertaining.

And Magus, it's not sad because it's true. I find it sad that some people really believe it.

hezekiah jones

Originally posted by winstonjen
While theists sometimes are simply entertaining.

LOL - well it depends on your mood I guess.