HappyFunBall

one thing i found out talking to a fundie today was this..he was pro-life (duh) and so i suppose you could make the assertion he cares about ALL children..

on the other hand, he favors removing sex ed from schools completely, and leaving that responsibility to parents (where he says it only takes five minutes to talk about sex!). when i asked what about kids whose parents just don't care enough to do that, he was basically like "it's not my problem"

doesn't this seem hypocritical?

also, if conservative christians are pro-life, wouldn't they perhaps want to support socialized healthcare, as there will be more kids around, especially those that are unwanted?

as far as i can tell, fundies only care about kids when they're in the womb

Jinto

Well fundies do care about all children. However, the reason why they care is because they are looking for potential converts. Think about it: from an emotional perspective who could possibly be easier to convert than an uneducated ostracized teenage mother feeling immense guilt and also in deperate need of the (in)famous Christian generosity due to the lack of socialized healthcare? That's exactly why they approve of policies that produce as many of these people as humanly possible.

Jamie_L

Unborn babies are easy to love. They have no political or religious views. They are decent, god-fearing people until proven otherwise by age.

Once people are out of the womb, then they have all these attitudes, beliefs, behaviors, and all that stuff. They can stand up for themselves, so any harm that befalls them is their own damn fault. Teenagers are the responsibility of their parents, and if those parents are irresponsible, or worse, immoral, then screw them and their sinner kids.

But protect the unborn babies in those sinful pre-teen bodies.

Jamie

Psycho Economist

Not when you understand the common motivation behind both positions. To a religious conservative, there shouldn't be any "baby killing" because no one should be having sex who doesn't want to get pregnant. It's the natural consequence of the action.

Tell your kids, "don't have sex unless you want to have a baby". If they're good, they'll obey. If they don't obey they'll get what they deserve.

To them, God sees to it that the good and industrious get richer and the bad and lazy get poorer. Man should not confiscate God's rewards and give them to the undeserving. Again: if don't think you can afford to raise a child, you shouldn't be having sex.

Pyrrho

If they did, they would NOT view a fetus as a life. Consider Exodus 21:22-25:

If the unborn were regarded by God as a life, then causing a miscarriage would be murder, and punished as such. But, at most (only if the husband requires it), the punishment is a fine. So it is obviously a minor offence.

It is also worth mentioning that there is no change in the punishment, regardless of when in the pregnancy this occurs. So it is not a "life", according to "God's Word", until after it is born.

If those so-called Christians would actually derive their views from the Bible, they would have no problems with people having all of the abortions they wanted, whenever they wanted them (provided the husband did not object).

It is further worth mentioning that there is no place in the Bible where an abortion is prohibited, and yet these pretended Christians claim to derive their beliefs from the Bible!

scigirl

Interesting Bible verses Pyrrho, I forgot about those!

One thing I have been using recently for the abortion debate is the following fact:

Over 1/3 to 1/2 of fertilized embryos die in the womb and are spontaneously aborted. So - if God finds termination of a pregnancy so repugnant, why will he choose or allow nearly 1/2 of my pregnancies to be aborted?

So not only are christians hypocritical, so is their god.

I also thing it's ironic that a lot of 'pro lifers' are for the death penalty. I wonder what they'd say if a person who murdered an abortion doctor got put on death row.

scigirl

yguy

How long does it take for a dad to tell his son that if he sleeps with a girl he's not married to he's gonna get the tar beaten out of him?

The unstated assumption behind sex ed in public schools is that parents are incompetent to handle that job themselves - an assumption which gains credence when one considers that most parents are products of public schools.

Can't speak for thumpers, cause I ain't one...but parental mistakes will inevitably manifest themselves outside the family boundaries. I don't have a big problem with having a safety net, since we can't just let wayward orphans starve - though I think we need to reroute such resources through private agencies and churches.:

yguy

It would not be murder in any case, since the scenario in that scripture describes an act of manslaughter at the very worst, as there is no demonstrable intent to cause harm to the fetus.

yguy

Not in the least. Life is God's to give and take away. We can't take life without His permission.

If it was actually murder, no problem. If I killed a Mafia boss known to be a murderer of hundreds of people because he owed me money, I'd be a murderer, not a hero. While I heartily agree that doctors who make the biggest part of their living from abortions are murderers, anyone who would take one of these guys out had better be ready to pay the consequences in this life and the next.

winstonjen

Then why does he arbitrarily and strangely 'enforce' this law? He doesn't stop suicides, 9/11 or many murders.