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long winded fool · 05-27-2003, 03:51 PM

What if I took a Bible, changed all references to God and Jesus to the word 'Satan,' and all references to Satan to 'God' or 'Jesus,' and left the rest of the message alone. Then I introduce this Bible to a tribe of isolated humans and convert them all to Satanism. Are they any different than Christians? Are they going to wind up in Hell for worshipping Satan? Would they call anyone who worships "God" a heathen? Even though they say they do, are they really worshipping the same Satan that the Christians recognize?

God's name isn't "God." It doesn't matter what you call the notion of the abstract diety described in the Bible. Whether it's Yaweh, Satan, or Alfred E. Newman, as long as you are loving your fellow humans unconditionally and thereby trusting in the possibility of absolute goodness, you are saved and are worshipping the one True "God." When one of the above mentioned Satanists meets the Christ in heaven, He'll say to the man, "Hi! I'm Satan."

Javaman · 05-27-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by long winded fool
... as long as you are loving your fellow humans unconditionally and thereby trusting in the possibility of absolute goodness, you are saved and are worshipping the one True "God." ...

Too bad that's not how Christianity works.

Spaz · 05-27-2003, 04:11 PM

True, but that's not what the op is about. If satan wrote the bible with the intent to deceive, then it would be completely different. If the names were changed, you're right, it wouldn't matter.

Mageth · 05-27-2003, 04:14 PM

Pop quiz: What two characters in the Bible were both referred to as "The Morning Star" ?

Javaman · 05-27-2003, 04:24 PM

I know Jesus was one:

Revelation 22:16
`I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!'

But I can't think of the other one.

Spaz · 05-27-2003, 04:33 PM

Why, it was lucifer of course!
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

(Lucifer was that name put in during translation, and the hebrew word there actually means "morning star")

And of course has nothing to do with satan in any made up christian sense, but still, the morning star.

mark9950 · 05-27-2003, 06:08 PM

What would magus55 say of this?Lets ask him.

Proctors_Gambit · 05-27-2003, 07:35 PM

Hmmm,
According to the good people over at Baptistboards Satan actually DID write the bible, every version in fact with the exception of the KJV.
Why would God let him sully the precious word like that?

-Gambit

Spaz · 05-27-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Proctors_Gambit
Hmmm,
According to the good people over at Baptistboards Satan actually DID write the bible, every version in fact with the exception of the KJV.
Why would God let him sully the precious word like that?

-Gambit

You're not serious are you? KJV is shitty. They're the version with lucifer in it which has nothing to do with the hebrew word for morning star...

Proctors_Gambit · 05-27-2003, 08:24 PM

A quick search returned this...

Although from the art it looks to have been cropped from a Chick Tract.
-Gambit

05-27-2003, 06:08 PM	#17
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	The atheist case is rested What would magus55 say of this?Lets ask him.

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05-27-2003, 03:51 PM	#11
long winded fool Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,113	What if I took a Bible, changed all references to God and Jesus to the word 'Satan,' and all references to Satan to 'God' or 'Jesus,' and left the rest of the message alone. Then I introduce this Bible to a tribe of isolated humans and convert them all to Satanism. Are they any different than Christians? Are they going to wind up in Hell for worshipping Satan? Would they call anyone who worships "God" a heathen? Even though they say they do, are they really worshipping the same Satan that the Christians recognize? God's name isn't "God." It doesn't matter what you call the notion of the abstract diety described in the Bible. Whether it's Yaweh, Satan, or Alfred E. Newman, as long as you are loving your fellow humans unconditionally and thereby trusting in the possibility of absolute goodness, you are saved and are worshipping the one True "God." When one of the above mentioned Satanists meets the Christ in heaven, He'll say to the man, "Hi! I'm Satan."

05-27-2003, 04:11 PM	#13
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	True, but that's not what the op is about. If satan wrote the bible with the intent to deceive, then it would be completely different. If the names were changed, you're right, it wouldn't matter.

05-27-2003, 04:14 PM	#14
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Pop quiz: What two characters in the Bible were both referred to as "The Morning Star" ?

05-27-2003, 04:24 PM	#15
Javaman Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,708	I know Jesus was one: Revelation 22:16 `I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!' But I can't think of the other one.

05-27-2003, 04:33 PM	#16
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	Why, it was lucifer of course! Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Lucifer was that name put in during translation, and the hebrew word there actually means "morning star") And of course has nothing to do with satan in any made up christian sense, but still, the morning star.

05-27-2003, 07:35 PM	#18
Proctors_Gambit Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Hmmm, According to the good people over at Baptistboards Satan actually DID write the bible, every version in fact with the exception of the KJV. Why would God let him sully the precious word like that? -Gambit

05-27-2003, 08:24 PM	#20
Proctors_Gambit Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 372	A quick search returned this... Although from the art it looks to have been cropped from a Chick Tract. -Gambit

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