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alek0 · 04-27-2003, 01:17 AM

What do you think about this?

See article here

What load of junk, IMO. There are many atheist organ donors, and there are many Christians who wouldn't do it.

Huginn · 04-27-2003, 03:56 AM

What evidence does this guy have? None, so far as I can see.

Just because he is a doctor doesn't make what he says any more valid or true! What a daft article, I'd expect better from the BBC.

Writer@Large · 04-27-2003, 06:45 AM

In the BBC's defense, Huginn, they're just reporting an "upcoming event" that debates the issue, not validating the point of view. Though they could have found a skeptical voice, I'm sure. The argument itself sounds completely posthoc though, and I doubt it'll get much better in full.

--W@L

Undercurrent · 04-27-2003, 09:04 AM

Wasn't cremation probited for catholics until Vatican II just because they expected that you'd need your body intact at the second coming? If anything, christian sects are more into preserving corpses intact for no good reason than more "pagan" religions.

Miss Piggy · 04-27-2003, 10:10 AM

I know that at least some Christians are even nowadays against cremation, because they think that it is against the idea of bodily resurrection. They think that cremation is suitable only for atheists.

I don't think that religiosity (or lack of it) is in any way connected to one's willingness to donate organs.

Viti · 04-27-2003, 10:27 AM

Most atheists I know are organ donors (maybe we could do a poll). I am a living organ donor, having donated a kidney to a friend...nobody in his church or family offered to be tested.

Writer@Large · 04-27-2003, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by LadyShea
Most atheists I know are organ donors (maybe we could do a poll).

What a good idea.

--W@L

Huginn · 04-27-2003, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Writer@Large
In the BBC's defense, Huginn, they're just reporting an "upcoming event" that debates the issue, not validating the point of view. Though they could have found a skeptical voice, I'm sure. The argument itself sounds completely posthoc though, and I doubt it'll get much better in full.

--W@L

Yes, but the headline is "Loss of faith hits medicine", rather than "Debate examines body and death in contemporary culture".

The debate isn't mentioned until nearly halfway down the page!

malookiemaloo · 04-28-2003, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by alek0
What do you think about this?

See article here

What load of junk, IMO. There are many atheist organ donors, and there are many Christians who wouldn't do it.

There is actually a basic error of presumption here.

While Christianity may be declining in the UK and western Europe it is on the increase worldwidec generally.

Although ststistics are hard to produce, Bible Societies conservatively estimate that around 60,000 people join a Christian Church every day.

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damon_achey · 04-28-2003, 03:43 PM

I was strongly against organ donation when I was an xtian. Although I've procrastinated getting the sticker on my license since then, just because I always believee that there wouldn't be enough of me left to bother. I like my motorcycles very fast

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alek0 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 640	Decline in christianity hurting organ donations? What do you think about this? See article here What load of junk, IMO. There are many atheist organ donors, and there are many Christians who wouldn't do it.

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04-27-2003, 03:56 AM	#2
Huginn Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lincoln, England Posts: 1,499	What evidence does this guy have? None, so far as I can see. Just because he is a doctor doesn't make what he says any more valid or true! What a daft article, I'd expect better from the BBC.

04-27-2003, 06:45 AM	#3
Writer@Large Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,198	In the BBC's defense, Huginn, they're just reporting an "upcoming event" that debates the issue, not validating the point of view. Though they could have found a skeptical voice, I'm sure. The argument itself sounds completely posthoc though, and I doubt it'll get much better in full. --W@L

04-27-2003, 09:04 AM	#4
Undercurrent Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 2,362	Wasn't cremation probited for catholics until Vatican II just because they expected that you'd need your body intact at the second coming? If anything, christian sects are more into preserving corpses intact for no good reason than more "pagan" religions.

04-27-2003, 10:10 AM	#5
Miss Piggy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 65	I know that at least some Christians are even nowadays against cremation, because they think that it is against the idea of bodily resurrection. They think that cremation is suitable only for atheists. I don't think that religiosity (or lack of it) is in any way connected to one's willingness to donate organs.

04-27-2003, 10:27 AM	#6
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Most atheists I know are organ donors (maybe we could do a poll). I am a living organ donor, having donated a kidney to a friend...nobody in his church or family offered to be tested.

04-28-2003, 03:43 PM	#10
damon_achey Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: wa. Posts: 106	I was strongly against organ donation when I was an xtian. Although I've procrastinated getting the sticker on my license since then, just because I always believee that there wouldn't be enough of me left to bother. I like my motorcycles very fast

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