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ax · 12-22-2002, 03:10 AM

I've just been in an argument with my mother about this. She says that god is in control of giving parents babies. What I wonder is how ethical is it for god to send babies to african couples with aids where they'll only live for a few monthes before dying. Or the babies who are aborted?

Ronin · 12-22-2002, 03:37 AM

Answer ~ It's all a glorious part of the Mysterious Plan (tm).

So, unless you know everything and are, therefore, God ~ return to your seat and just get with the program.

Damn ~ I even scare myself sometimes.

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HelenM · 12-22-2002, 03:53 AM

ax, she probably believes that because of Bible passages that say "The Lord closed her womb" and "The Lord opened her womb". (See Gen 39:31, 1 Sam 1:5 etc) That does rather imply God is in control of when people have babies to those who believe it to be true.

Helen

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Ronin · 12-22-2002, 04:05 AM

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ax, she probably believes that because of Bible passages that say "The Lord closed her womb" and "The Lord opened her womb". (See Gen 39:31, 1 Sam 1:5 etc) That does rather imply God is in control of when people have babies to those who believe it to be true.

Helen ~ I don't recall a Gen 39:31 and the 1 Sam 1:5 was referring to Hannah, not *all* women ~ and this needless and heartless act by God sure made her bitter and sore.

That God character sure acts like a dick.

HelenM · 12-22-2002, 04:31 AM

My mistake...I meant Genesis 29:31 "When the LORD saw that Leah was not loved, he opened her womb, but Rachel was barren".

Regarding Hannah: later in the same chapter (1 Sam 1:20) the Bible says Hannah conceived and bore a son.

Anyway, I don't generally argue with people who make assertions about God's character or anything else. They evidently have made up their mind already.

Thank you for pointing out I gave a wrong reference; I hope you enjoy your Sunday!

Helen

Ronin · 12-22-2002, 04:39 AM

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Regarding Hannah: later in the same chapter (1 Sam 1:20) the Bible says Hannah conceived and bore a son.

Care to tell the class the apparent reason she later concieved and bore a son?

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They evidently have made up their mind already.

Based on the evidence, my friend, based on the evidence ~ and I'm off to see 'The Two Towers' today...so, enjoyment guaranteed, thanks.

ax · 12-22-2002, 04:41 AM

hmm, interesting. Still, doesn't justify it.

HelenM · 12-22-2002, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Ronin:
<strong>I'm off to see 'The Two Towers' today...so, enjoyment guaranteed, thanks.</strong>

I sure hope so, because we're going tomorrow. My nine year old is very eager to see it.

Helen

Mad Kally · 12-22-2002, 08:09 AM

Topic: babies are sent from god?

How big of him when a child under 5 years old dies every 30 seconds from Malaria.

The Other Michael · 12-22-2002, 08:21 AM

It looks to me that everything after the initial post is pretty much either GRD or Miscellaneous, so let's see some on-topic forum-related posts if this thread is going to be preserved here.

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Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	Answer ~ It's all a glorious part of the Mysterious Plan (tm). So, unless you know everything and are, therefore, God ~ return to your seat and just get with the program. Damn ~ I even scare myself sometimes. [ December 22, 2002: Message edited by: Ronin ]</p>

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HelenM Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Ill Posts: 6,577	ax, she probably believes that because of Bible passages that say "The Lord closed her womb" and "The Lord opened her womb". (See Gen 39:31, 1 Sam 1:5 etc) That does rather imply God is in control of when people have babies to those who believe it to be true. Helen [ December 22, 2002: Message edited by: HelenM ]</p>

12-22-2002, 04:31 AM	#5
HelenM Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Ill Posts: 6,577	My mistake...I meant Genesis 29:31 "When the LORD saw that Leah was not loved, he opened her womb, but Rachel was barren". Regarding Hannah: later in the same chapter (1 Sam 1:20) the Bible says Hannah conceived and bore a son. Anyway, I don't generally argue with people who make assertions about God's character or anything else. They evidently have made up their mind already. Thank you for pointing out I gave a wrong reference; I hope you enjoy your Sunday! Helen

12-22-2002, 04:41 AM	#7
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	hmm, interesting. Still, doesn't justify it.

12-22-2002, 08:09 AM	#9
Mad Kally Banned Join Date: May 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 3,764	Topic: babies are sent from god? How big of him when a child under 5 years old dies every 30 seconds from Malaria.

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The Other Michael Honorary Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the fog of San Francisco Posts: 12,631	It looks to me that everything after the initial post is pretty much either GRD or Miscellaneous, so let's see some on-topic forum-related posts if this thread is going to be preserved here. thanks, Michael MF&P Moderator, First Class

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