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vtran31 · 03-19-2003, 09:49 PM

a bit of a stretch tha tmay be wrong

Luke 21

23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

I figure the time of the Gentiels being furfilled is referring to Jeruseleum. may be wrong but was not Jeruseleum trodden under by Gentiles until 1968? maybe I'm just stretching though

vtran31 · 03-19-2003, 10:07 PM

Oh, you're going to bring up the bit about the disciples being martyred for their beliefs. First off, which ones exactly were martyred, and what is your source for this claim? Secondly, as you've been told many times, dying for a belief doesn't make it true (hint: Heaven's Gate cult, Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc)

I dont think that by itself has ever been used to prove Chrisitanity correct. only that the apostles were sincere in their belief and were not just con men

malookiemaloo · 03-20-2003, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by Gooch's dad
Hey, mal, do you mean Ezekiel 29:14-15, which says that Egypt "Shall be the basest of all the kingdoms, niether shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations."??

Interesting, that very verse is one listed in the Skeptics Annotated Bible as a failed prophecy, with this note:

"But Egypt remained an important and often powerful nation. During the Tulunid dynasty (868-905 CE), for example, Egypt was the center of a small empire and conquered Syria."

Oops!

The list of prophecies relating to various towns being lain waste, unoccupied, or converting to Judaism is pretty funny. I like Jeremiah 49:33 which predicts that nobody will ever live in Hazor again, but dragons will occupy the place! I gather that people still live in that town, but I don't think there are too many dragon sightings.

Cheers,

-Kelly

Well if you ask me, it's pretty well fullfilled.

Look at Egypt's pathetic attempt to fight Israel in 1967! Not even the Italians would have thrown in the towel so quickly.

m

keyser_soze · 03-20-2003, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by malookiemaloo
Well if you ask me, it's pretty well fullfilled.

Look at Egypt's pathetic attempt to fight Israel in 1967! Not even the Italians would have thrown in the towel so quickly.

m

All nations rise and fall. Just because the OT was written 2500 years ago does not mean the people lacked historical knowledge or the ability to add 1+1. I predict America will eventually decline. There, now I've prophecied! Do you doubt my prophecy? If so, why? And if not, why?

malookiemaloo · 03-20-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by keyser_soze
All nations rise and fall. Just because the OT was written 2500 years ago does not mean the people lacked historical knowledge or the ability to add 1+1. I predict America will eventually decline. There, now I've prophecied! Do you doubt my prophecy? If so, why? And if not, why?

On the basis of 'what goes around, comes around' fine. But that's hardly prophecy, is it?

Still think the Bible got it right re Egypt.

But it must be borne in mind that the nature of prophecy in the Bible was not primarily to predict the future but to emphasise the important truth that, no matter how things seem, God is in complete control of world events. And, as ever, the door is always open to unbelief.

m

keyser_soze · 03-20-2003, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by malookiemaloo
On the basis of 'what goes around, comes around' fine. But that's hardly prophecy, is it?

Still think the Bible got it right re Egypt.

But it must be borne in mind that the nature of prophecy in the Bible was not primarily to predict the future but to emphasise the important truth that, no matter how things seem, God is in complete control of world events. And, as ever, the door is always open to unbelief.

m

Or it might be that they had more than a 4 year olds' grasp of social decay. After all, they were used to cities and cultures rising and falling. Was my prediction about the fall of america god channelling to me that he is in control of the world, or did I just make an elementary deduction?

malookiemaloo · 03-20-2003, 03:19 AM

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Originally posted by keyser_soze
Or it might be that they had more than a 4 year olds' grasp of social decay. After all, they were used to cities and cultures rising and falling. Was my prediction about the fall of america god channelling to me that he is in control of the world, or did I just make an elementary deduction?

Who's going to win the Kentucky Derby?

m

Peter Kirby · 03-20-2003, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by malookiemaloo
Who's going to win the Kentucky Derby?

You must have forgotten that atheism is a non-prophet organization.

best,
Peter Kirby

malookiemaloo · 03-20-2003, 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Kirby
You must have forgotten that atheism is a non-prophet organization.

best,
Peter Kirby

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keyser_soze · 03-20-2003, 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by malookiemaloo
Who's going to win the Kentucky Derby?

m

I predict the winner will be a horse. I predict that the winner will be a horse that has won other races, but I also predict that in a couple more years, that said winner will not be racing anymore. After all, we must not be too specific. ALL nations fall. Just like ALL the horses in the race are champions, and ALL of them will eventually not be racing.

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vtran31 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 40	a bit of a stretch tha tmay be wrong Luke 21 23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. I figure the time of the Gentiels being furfilled is referring to Jeruseleum. may be wrong but was not Jeruseleum trodden under by Gentiles until 1968? maybe I'm just stretching though

03-19-2003, 10:07 PM	#82
vtran31 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 40	Oh, you're going to bring up the bit about the disciples being martyred for their beliefs. First off, which ones exactly were martyred, and what is your source for this claim? Secondly, as you've been told many times, dying for a belief doesn't make it true (hint: Heaven's Gate cult, Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc) I dont think that by itself has ever been used to prove Chrisitanity correct. only that the apostles were sincere in their belief and were not just con men

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