Brad Messenger

The Free Will Defense, with all of its faults aside, shows that God thinks the person's ability to choose his/her own actions without being coerced into doing it is morally justified over whatever heinous crimes are committed.

If God thinks he should not stop someone from doing something bad even if He knows about it, why shouldn't humans refrain from stopping someone committing a crime?

There are times in which a person can detect a crime will take place and takes certain measures to prevent the crime by calling the police. By preventing the crime from taking place, though, this disallows the potential criminal's use of free will. Wouldn't God look unfavorably on this situation. If He did not, one would think He would have stopped the event himself.

Shouldn't we consider free will as valuable as God does and act accordingly?

rainbow walking

rw: On the other hand, perhaps your being in a position to witness, and hence prevent, a crime is a test of your free will to determine if YOU will do the right thing.

In this context two rights are born of one wrong.

1. A crime is prevented.

2. A righteous man is discovered.

Why must we always assume that God must intervene when it is biblically clear that he gave man dominion over this event horizon?

[ January 20, 2002: Message edited by: rainbow walking ]</p>

Amos

Brad, God doesn't think. He let's you do the thinking.

In the "eyes" of God free will is real. In the eyes of humans free will is real but our human will is not always in harmony with the will of God. The will of God is always life giving and love serving and the human will is often life diminishing and self or ego serving.

The Free Will argument needs no defense but belongs to the determinist. Hence the argument exists. In other words, if determinsm was real there would be no argument because Free Will would not exist. The point here is that both are needed to make the other known but unless you are a Freeman you cannot see determinism.

Amos

Theli

HAHAHA!!!! Yes, natural disasters and diseases are VERY "life giving". And very love serving aslo.

Amos

So what has God got to do with this? God is inside nature and not observing it like you are.

[ January 20, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>