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Old 05-02-2007, 01:46 AM   #1
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Red face the ignostic and Occam arguments

With ignosticism, we ignostics declare that God is a mystery surrounded by other mysteries, parading as an explanation.But the magic of God did it is a pseudo-explanation. It " hides our ignorance behind a theological fig leaf "and to further quote the atheologian Keith Parsons:"Occult power wielded by a transcendent being in an inscrutable way for unfathomable reasons seems to be no sort of a real explanation." God is the mere tautology that God wills what He wills, unimformative whatsoever.God serves the same function as gremlilns do for what ails a car! Now granting significance to the term, Occam's razor puts it aside for naturalistic explanations period.We no more need God than we do Thor for explaning weather conditions.God would require ad hoc explanations and adds nothing to what we find.Contrary to Richard Swinburne and Alister McGrath , God as a personal explanation adds no real explanation to anything:banghead: ,but is the circular argument that God had us in mind when what happens is that causalism explains .Science explains; theology obscures.:huh:
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What the hell is an "ignostic"?

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What the hell is an "ignostic"?
Someone with knowledge of fire, I guess. Maybe some sorta fire worship thing. Sounds cool, but it's poor form to mix Latin with Greek.
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Cohesion in your thoughts and sentences, can ya dig it?
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I was figuring it was knowledge of ignorance. But what do I know?
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Ignosticism or igtheism is the view that the question of the existence of a transcendent God is meaningless because the terms are "clearly nonfalsifiable" and "basically unintelligible".[1] For an ignostic, the statement "God exists" is not a proposition, a statement which can be true or false, but is instead as nonsensical as "All mimsy were the borogroves".[2] Ignosticism is often considered synonymous with theological noncognitivism."
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Basically, it's the position that the term, God, is meaningless - since it ranges from a guy in the sky to a vague sort of energy to the universe itself. An ignostic requires a more concrete definition of what is being discussed before getting into arguing existence/non-existence.
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Cohesion in your thoughts and sentences, can ya dig it?
I understood what he was saying pretty decently.

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1) "God did it" is a meaningless assertion since God can potentially explain anything and nothing can falsify the claim, it explains nothing and fails Occam's Razor.
2) God is offered as a God of the Gaps explanation - whatever we don't understand, God did. This is not an actual answer to the unknown, it merely dresses up our ignorance.
3) The God hypothesis explains nothing. (following from 1 and 2)
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Is this position related to non-cogntivism, the idea that discussing "god" is a fruitless topic itself since the word has no meaning due to a lack of properties(see George Smith)?
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Ignosticism or igtheism is the view that the question of the existence of a transcendent God is meaningless because the terms are "clearly nonfalsifiable" and "basically unintelligible".[1] For an ignostic, the statement "God exists" is not a proposition, a statement which can be true or false, but is instead as nonsensical as "All mimsy were the borogroves".[2] Ignosticism is often considered synonymous with theological noncognitivism."
Basically, it's the position that the term, God, is meaningless - since it ranges from a guy in the sky to a vague sort of energy to the universe itself. An ignostic requires a more concrete definition of what is being discussed before getting into arguing existence/non-existence.
This is going to break Boro Nut's heart, to think people consider the Borogroves being all mimsy is non-sensical. Break his heart I tell you.

I suggest folks in Middlesbrough stay inside with the shades drawn, the lights out and the doors locked and bolted. BN just might show them what real mimsy is all about. Wouldn't hurt to saute some garlic.
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I understood what he was saying pretty decently.

The annotated form:

1) "God did it" is a meaningless assertion since God can potentially explain anything and nothing can falsify the claim, it explains nothing and fails Occam's Razor.
2) God is offered as a God of the Gaps explanation - whatever we don't understand, God did. This is not an actual answer to the unknown, it merely dresses up our ignorance.
3) The God hypothesis explains nothing. (following from 1 and 2)
I think that's sort of the point of Infidels.
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