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Doctor X · 08-16-2003, 12:05 AM

Because one can "cherry-pick" out those "nasty bits"--like sacrifice, genocide, and Junior refusing to save good people who want to be saved.

Or, one can call the parts that cause consern "figurative" or "allegory."

Simple, no?

--J.D.

Milton · 08-16-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
Doesn't it? Because the same story that says that the world is flat, and the sky is a solid dome, and light was an effect the preceeded it's own cause, and people are made from piles of dust that have been blown on with magic breath, and snakes can talk...that's the same story that told you that you needed salvation to begin with.
If god made all of these things and the author of the story doesn't even know what the Earth, the sky and the stars actually are that should tell you that god was not in contact with the author.
So why believe him?
If he didn't get the things that you can check right why should you trust him about the things that you cannot?

Same story? You must be talking about something else, I guess.

Biff the unclean · 08-16-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Milton
Same story? You must be talking about something else, I guess.

The "fall of man" fairy tale...surely you remember that one. No fall = no need for salvation

08-17-2003, 03:25 PM

Speaking in tongues is when our stream of words flows over the dam where convention is normally interjected by the faculty of reason.

Doctor X · 08-17-2003, 04:14 PM

Well eloquent, I would have to disagree.

You can quite effectively remove the "faculty of reason" and people do not "speak in tongues." Granted, they do not make much sense, but they remain fluent . . . other than sluring do to decrease control.

--J.D.

08-17-2003, 08:58 PM

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Well eloquent, I would have to disagree.

You can quite effectively remove the "faculty of reason" and people do not "speak in tongues." Granted, they do not make much sense, but they remain fluent . . . other than sluring do to decrease control.

--J.D.

Ah, but I am not talking about drunken slurs but the complete bypass of our faculty reason at the adams apple.

Go to Zamjatin's WE and there you will find a better description of my suggestion.

Doctor X · 08-18-2003, 03:16 PM

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. . . the complete bypass of our faculty reason at the adams apple.

Unfortunately, that makes as much sense as Jon Pertwee demanding, "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" whenever Dr. Who had to "say something scientific."

"Bypass" at the "Adam's apple" results in a very horse voice--not speaking in tongues.

Amos you really, really, really, need to read some basic physiology books.

--J.D.

Biff the unclean · 08-18-2003, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
Unfortunately, that makes as much sense as Jon Pertwee demanding, "reverse the polarity of the neutron flow" whenever Dr. Who had to "say something scientific."

"No time for that now, I'll explain later"---Jon Pertwee & co.

Doctor X · 08-18-2003, 05:04 PM

"The Zintha beams are at full stretch!!"

Yet another one of my favorite "mish-mash" science lines.

--J.D.

Gothic_J · 08-18-2003, 06:37 PM

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Since Monday, I have been at a Christian revival that I went to solely due to the fact that my friend, a devout Christian, invited me. All was well until the evening service of the last night.

I could understand people lifting their hands, I mean, it's not that hard to lift your hands up. But do these people REALLY believe that by knocking someone on the head and speaking to them they can get someone to start speaking gibberish?

Let me explain... my friend came up to me on the last night, asked me something about do I want to accept the holy ghost. I said sure, since he kind of put me on the spot and I didn't really want to put my friendship at stake and do otherwise. So he told me to lift my hands... ok, I did this, not feeling anything... put his hand on my head and started talking: Please, Jesus, deliver this person, oh father please let the holy ghost speak through him. Nothing happened. Nothing at all... No "burst of fire throughout my body," no speaking another language... I saw people fall over... I can assume why, my friend was pushing me on the forehead backwards... Hmm, now someone being passive would fall over too, wouldn't they? Not putting up resistance? The first day I heard people talking in tongues my friend told me they were all speaking the same language... HA! Everyone was saying their own gibberish...

Abongaba abongaba hai was the phrase repeated by the scary lady who led the revival and told everyone to go start a crusade against public schools (Denounce evolution and Harry Potter! Go put a Bible in everyone's hand and speak the word!)... and everyone was just saying their own gibberish... But to the point...

Do these people really believe that a spirit is speaking through them? Or is what I said really true, that everyone is just copying other people?

Thank you for your time reading this post.

(P.S. - Anyone have a link of something that I could use as ammo against the New Testament God? If a Christian says something about the Old Testament, I can usually refute him and say how it's made up and superstitious... but the New Testament God and Jesus is a little harder since he's all about love... still superstitous, but harder to convince Christians)

me and my goth chick speak tongues all the time.

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08-16-2003, 12:05 AM	#81
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Because one can "cherry-pick" out those "nasty bits"--like sacrifice, genocide, and Junior refusing to save good people who want to be saved. Or, one can call the parts that cause consern "figurative" or "allegory." Simple, no? --J.D.

08-17-2003, 03:25 PM	#84
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Speaking in tongues is when our stream of words flows over the dam where convention is normally interjected by the faculty of reason.

08-17-2003, 04:14 PM	#85
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Well eloquent, I would have to disagree. You can quite effectively remove the "faculty of reason" and people do not "speak in tongues." Granted, they do not make much sense, but they remain fluent . . . other than sluring do to decrease control. --J.D.

08-18-2003, 05:04 PM	#89
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	"The Zintha beams are at full stretch!!" Yet another one of my favorite "mish-mash" science lines. --J.D.

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