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tronvillain · 03-28-2002, 05:28 PM

Right... so it was a totally pointless reference and not a relevant reply.

spin · 03-28-2002, 05:49 PM

tronvillain:
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Right... so it was a totally pointless reference and not a relevant reply.
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Well, not exactly, tronvillain. The argument for argument's sake was actually implied by the comment. You remember the sketch. The abuse comment was partly to reinforce the monty python references so as to underline the futility of the initial intent.

You should stop trying to analyse things that you have too much difficulty understanding -- as shown by your above comment -- and just break a few things.

tronvillain · 03-28-2002, 05:54 PM

Looks like a flimsy rationalization to me.

spin · 03-28-2002, 06:08 PM

As all you can say tronvillain is one line empty harangues that show little perception, you don't mind if I don't respond to your stuff, do you?

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: spin ]</p>

tronvillain · 03-28-2002, 06:12 PM

Actually, that would be doing me a favour. Does anyone else want to get in on this deal?

99Percent · 03-28-2002, 06:18 PM

No, and if this topic doesn't get back on track in the following few posts, I will close it.

tronvillain · 03-28-2002, 06:28 PM

Perhaps a thread should be opened in "Formal Debates and Discussion" and they could hammer out the details there.

Malaclypse the Younger · 03-28-2002, 08:01 PM

I think if people here can respect the purpose of the thread, Automaton and I can hammer out an unambiguous resolution. This seems like a reasonable and unobjectionable request.

I'm frankly irritated at spin in particular for hijacking this thread and the other thread, especially when he has ducked an actual formal debate on a resolution of his own choosing. Shit or get off the pot.

I would prefer the moderators to simply delete any off-topic posts rather than simply close the thread.

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Malaclypse the Younger ]</p>

Malaclypse the Younger · 03-28-2002, 08:08 PM

Bokonon

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Is this debate assuming from the get-go that Suffering is objectively (or at least under normal circumstances) immoral?

Well, I will agree that I find suffering objectionable under certain circumstances.

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The human rights angle arguing against factory farming could still be used, but again, that's assuming Suffering is immoral. And of course the Environmental argument, but that's assuming destroying nature is immoral. Thus is the result of subjectivity.

These are all interesting suggestions. I merely insist it is unambiguous that Automaton and I disagree on whatever resolution we choose.

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Malaclypse the Younger ]</p>

Malaclypse the Younger · 03-29-2002, 01:45 PM

*bump* Automaton, have you decided on an unambiguous resolution yet?

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03-28-2002, 05:28 PM	#31
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Right... so it was a totally pointless reference and not a relevant reply.

03-28-2002, 05:49 PM	#32
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	tronvillain: ----------------- Right... so it was a totally pointless reference and not a relevant reply. ----------------- Well, not exactly, tronvillain. The argument for argument's sake was actually implied by the comment. You remember the sketch. The abuse comment was partly to reinforce the monty python references so as to underline the futility of the initial intent. You should stop trying to analyse things that you have too much difficulty understanding -- as shown by your above comment -- and just break a few things.

03-28-2002, 05:54 PM	#33
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Looks like a flimsy rationalization to me.

03-28-2002, 06:08 PM	#34
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	As all you can say tronvillain is one line empty harangues that show little perception, you don't mind if I don't respond to your stuff, do you? [ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: spin ]</p>

03-28-2002, 06:12 PM	#35
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Actually, that would be doing me a favour. Does anyone else want to get in on this deal?

03-28-2002, 06:18 PM	#36
99Percent Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: my mind Posts: 5,996	No, and if this topic doesn't get back on track in the following few posts, I will close it.

03-28-2002, 06:28 PM	#37
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Perhaps a thread should be opened in "Formal Debates and Discussion" and they could hammer out the details there.

03-28-2002, 08:01 PM	#38
Malaclypse the Younger Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: nowhere Posts: 416	I think if people here can respect the purpose of the thread, Automaton and I can hammer out an unambiguous resolution. This seems like a reasonable and unobjectionable request. I'm frankly irritated at spin in particular for hijacking this thread and the other thread, especially when he has ducked an actual formal debate on a resolution of his own choosing. Shit or get off the pot. I would prefer the moderators to simply delete any off-topic posts rather than simply close the thread. [ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Malaclypse the Younger ]</p>

03-29-2002, 01:45 PM	#40
Malaclypse the Younger Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: nowhere Posts: 416	bump Automaton, have you decided on an unambiguous resolution yet?

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