KnightWhoSaysNi

I was invited to a small party by a friend of mine last night, and I ran into a YEC. I was talking about biology with someone and a women overheard me.

She claims she knowed "all about evolution" and since I knew she was a conservative Christian, I asked what her view on that was: theistic evolutionist, old earth creationist, or YEC? She immediately blurted out -- "I believe in the Bible!" (in other words, YEC) and condemned other Christians who took differerent viewpoints on creation/evolution, claiming they weren't Christians at all and were more like cult members. :banghead:

We then got into a bit of a debate. I was surprised at her arrogance, ignorance, evasions, and continuous arguments for personal incredulity.

For example, she claims "I know all about evolution!" and "I have a very scientific mind!" :banghead:

I calmly challenged her with some specific evidence such as shared endogenous retrovirus pseudogenes in primates and DNA evidence of chimp/human common ancestry (though she kept interrupting me, and wouldn't let me explain it). She merely ignored my arguments and launched into arguments of personal incredulity, ignorance, and strawmen -- "I can't possibly see how an orange and an apple came from the same fruit! It's stupid that people believe that birds came from big dinosaurs! Molecules to man is just stupid! It's only a theory not a law, it hasn't been proven!"

She then asked if I believed that all life came from a common ancestor. I replied "yes" and then she stormed off in a huff in disgust.

This has been my first encounter with a fundie YEC in a quite a while. I see them on the forums every so often, but seeing them in person just blows my mind sometimes. The fact that religious dogmatism can warp someone's mind like that is just downright scary. Keep up the good work in other forums, guys/gals. Refuting and exposing creationist garbage is indeed a noble endeavour.

scigirl

Wow she sure "knows all about evolution"! :banghead: Well good try anyway, and if she ever comes around, maybe those pieces of data will stick in her head.

scigirl

anime

shared endogenous retrovirus pseudogenes in primates and DNA evidence of chimp/human common ancestry

I have never heard this before and it fascinates me.

Could you exlain, or provide a website?

I would like to see how commonalities necessitate a cause.

MortalWombat

Try this one for a comprehensive explanation.

KnightWhoSaysNi

Hi Anime,

Here's an article that will interested you (from "29 Evidences for Macro-evolution" from www.talkorigins.org)

Endogenous retroviruses

KnightWhoSaysNi

Anime,

As for DNA evidence for chimp/human common ancestry, here's a good site for that:

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html

Scigirl has frequently challenged creationists to explain this evidence in posts like this one.

Jerry Smith wrote another good rendition of it in the ChristianForums.

If you insist that chimps and humans were created and did not have common ancestry, then we'd love to hear how you'd explain the above evidence. So far every creationist who has attempted to has failed miserably.

This being the most recent one:

In other words, God made it look exactly like evolution happened to test our faith. :banghead: