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katellagen · 07-25-2002, 09:39 PM

You guys really seem to be on to something. If what you're saying is true, Christianity is mired in hopeless contradiction, with its overarching mandate in fundamental conflict with its primary goal.

With the means and the ends so opposed to each other, Christians would be immobilized and Christianity doomed. It's either obey God to the damnation of souls, or disobey Him to your own damnation.

No wonder Christians are so confused and irrational. This type of thing will cause psychosis!

The only problem of course would be the minor consideration that what you're saying is not what the Bible or historic Christianity actually teaches. But no need to let that little fact stop your ranting. 'Burn the straw man. Burn the straw man. See how quickly it's consumed. Burn the.....'

....oh well, have fun.

Peace

Terracotta · 07-26-2002, 02:31 AM

never mind

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GunnerJ · 07-26-2002, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by katellagen:
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The only problem of course would be the minor consideration that what you're saying is not what the Bible or historic Christianity actually teaches. But no need to let that little fact stop your ranting. 'Burn the straw man. Burn the straw man. See how quickly it's consumed. Burn the.....'

....oh well, have fun.

Peace</strong>

indeed! If you had read the first post, you would have realized that this thread is meant to counter an apologetics claim made by Xians!!! Namely, that those who have not heard will not be damned. Whether or not this is Biblically/historically supported is besides the point. In fact, if what you say is true, then the defense in question is made even weaker!

But don't let this fact get in the way of your rambling.

Mageth · 07-26-2002, 12:08 PM

To take this even further, if not hearing the gospel assures salvation, then why the Christ story in the first place? If it was necessary for Christ to die to save the world from sin, then could he have not come to some remote corner of the world (well, he did do that) and die quietly, without proclaiming to be god and starting the xian religion? Why all the publicity? Without it, no one would have heard the gospel, and everyone would have been saved!

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ManM · 07-26-2002, 12:10 PM

It sure is silly if we are trying to save ourselves from God. But what if we have to save ourselves from ourselves?

Mageth · 07-26-2002, 12:22 PM

I'll bite. And why would we need to do that?

ManM · 07-27-2002, 07:27 AM

Haven't you noticed that we have destructive tendencies?

Mad Kally · 07-27-2002, 07:33 AM

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posted by Rimstalker:
If I recall correctly, Xians were ordered by Jesus to "spread the word." Thus making Christ's message the most disasterous Operation: Foot-Bazooka in history.

GOD protect me from your followers!

-RRH- · 07-27-2002, 02:01 PM

This is one of those times where I have more respect for the fundies than the liberal Christians. I've seen fundies fight against the popular misconception that, "If you are a good person, you'll get into heaven, no matter what religion you are." So, at least the fundies are being consistent on this point.

MadMordigan · 07-27-2002, 02:39 PM

Haven't you noticed that we have destructive tendencies?

NOTHING mankind does to itself, whether we can save ourselves from it or not, can compare to being throw in a lake of fire for eternity. We could hack each other up and smoke the remains in nuclear powered crack pipes, and it would still pale in comparison to eternal torment.

Given the choice and the power to make that decision (allow finite human-caused suffering now vs eternal god-caused suffering later), it makes no sense to say that christ was sent to save us from ourselves. Unless, of course, god WANTS some people to go to hell.

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07-25-2002, 09:39 PM	#11
katellagen Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: notthereyet Posts: 24	You guys really seem to be on to something. If what you're saying is true, Christianity is mired in hopeless contradiction, with its overarching mandate in fundamental conflict with its primary goal. With the means and the ends so opposed to each other, Christians would be immobilized and Christianity doomed. It's either obey God to the damnation of souls, or disobey Him to your own damnation. No wonder Christians are so confused and irrational. This type of thing will cause psychosis! The only problem of course would be the minor consideration that what you're saying is not what the Bible or historic Christianity actually teaches. But no need to let that little fact stop your ranting. 'Burn the straw man. Burn the straw man. See how quickly it's consumed. Burn the.....' ....oh well, have fun. Peace

07-26-2002, 02:31 AM	#12
Terracotta Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 369	never mind [ July 26, 2002: Message edited by: Terracotta ]</p>

07-26-2002, 12:08 PM	#14
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	To take this even further, if not hearing the gospel assures salvation, then why the Christ story in the first place? If it was necessary for Christ to die to save the world from sin, then could he have not come to some remote corner of the world (well, he did do that) and die quietly, without proclaiming to be god and starting the xian religion? Why all the publicity? Without it, no one would have heard the gospel, and everyone would have been saved! [ July 26, 2002: Message edited by: Mageth ]</p>

07-26-2002, 12:10 PM	#15
ManM Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: NW Florida, USA Posts: 1,279	It sure is silly if we are trying to save ourselves from God. But what if we have to save ourselves from ourselves?

07-26-2002, 12:22 PM	#16
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	I'll bite. And why would we need to do that?

07-27-2002, 07:27 AM	#17
ManM Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: NW Florida, USA Posts: 1,279	Haven't you noticed that we have destructive tendencies?

07-27-2002, 02:01 PM	#19
-RRH- Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 2,047	This is one of those times where I have more respect for the fundies than the liberal Christians. I've seen fundies fight against the popular misconception that, "If you are a good person, you'll get into heaven, no matter what religion you are." So, at least the fundies are being consistent on this point.

07-27-2002, 02:39 PM	#20
MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	Haven't you noticed that we have destructive tendencies? NOTHING mankind does to itself, whether we can save ourselves from it or not, can compare to being throw in a lake of fire for eternity. We could hack each other up and smoke the remains in nuclear powered crack pipes, and it would still pale in comparison to eternal torment. Given the choice and the power to make that decision (allow finite human-caused suffering now vs eternal god-caused suffering later), it makes no sense to say that christ was sent to save us from ourselves. Unless, of course, god WANTS some people to go to hell.

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