oriecat

I saw this weird symbol on a mini-van at work today. I am wondering what it is and what it means. I know it's probably kinds fundy, since there was also a Survival of the Fittest bumper sticker, the one with the big Jesus fish eating the little Darwin fish. So anyway the symbol was stacked and had a menorrah on the top and a star of David in the middle, and a Jesus fish pointed down at the bottom. I thought it was a very odd combination of things.

Anyone, anyone?

christ-on-a-stick

Messianic Jew?

Philosoft

First thing that popped in my head, too.

oriecat

Thanks coas! That's it! The Messianic Seal.

http://yeshuaministries.tripod.com/M...alBlueGold.gif

I really don't get that Jew for Jesus stuff (or is that different?). Seems like you should have to be one or the other.

Edit- stupid tripod.

spurly

To me, Jews for Jesus are simply people who realize that Jesus was the one that the entire law and prophets pointed to. He is the fulfillment of their hope. In that sense one can be a Jew who follows Jesus, as the hope of Israel.

Kevin

oriecat

Why doesn't take make them a christian? Where's the difference?

ProNihil

I believe the difference is that a Jew for Jesus not only recognises Jesus as fulfilling the office of Christ, but at the same time is affirming their nationality or historical bloodline. In the OT, God recognised the Jews for their familial lines, not for their respective beliefs. If beliefs were the case, then He would have ordered circumcision to take place upon the age of accountability, that being 13 if I'm not mistaken.

Fiach

Messianic jews are similar to modern Wicca. Each is a pale reflection of an actual religious sect from 2000 years ago.

Wicca reflects the ancient European pagan nature religion, the oldest being Asatru, and its offspring Celtic and Norse Pagainsm.

Messianic Jews are a weak imitation of the Ebionites, the first of the followers of Jesus. They believed him to be the promised Messiah-King, but not a god. Nazarenes were the next to evolve and they felt Jesus was a special human with some divine features. It was these two who comprised all Jesus followers for the first 50 years. Paul of Tarsus later merged their ideas with Greek philosophy and Eastern Mystery cults mainly that of Mithra.

That composite Jesus worship regarded Jesus as a god but debated if he were a created god (Arianism) or a full god. Later they proposed the trinity concept with Jesus as a member of the trinity. It was based on the Old Egyptian Trinity of Father (Atum), Son (Aten, or Horus), and Holy Spirit messenger (Ra or Knepf.)

Christianity was never used until the time of Constantine who forced the assembled bishops at Nicaea to adopt Trinitarianism or Athanasian Christianity (because Con's mother was Trinitarian.)

So in a way, Wicca and Messianic Judaism are nostalgic flashbacks to 2000 year old cults. Messianic Jews like feel that their faith originating with Jesus was stolen, plagiarised, and paganised by Paul, Tertullian, Athanasius, and Constantine.

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Fiach