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BadBadBad · 01-25-2003, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by gravitybow
[B]Most of the statistics referred to in this thread come from the American Religious Identification Survey, 2001 (ARIS) . Adobe Acrobat is needed for this .pdf file. The file has 47 pages.

This report is fascinating. What I posted yesterday, I found in a quick search. This is pretty much what I had read a few months ago from another source. The same limited set of stats. Those numbers just didn't fit with my experiences, and it really left a lot of questions unanswered. Thanks to all those that helped fill in the blanks

This report is really a wealth of information about as close as I could have hoped for. You're totally right that the whole thing is worth the read first hand. Thanks.

BadBadBad · 01-25-2003, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by HelenM
brettc, here are some statistics from the Barna Research Group, (which is a Christian organization).

Helen

Good site. Good site. It is certainly nice to find unbiased information. I noticed how upfront they were in explaining the source of their statistics. Given their audience, I can see how petty details like that shouldn't be a problem. They did have real good unbiased data and conclusions though. For example, here's a snippet I found on this site:

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95% believe in God (1997)
72% believe in God when described as the all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect creator of the universe who rules the world today. (2001)
10% believe that that God represents a state of higher consciousness. (2001)
7% believe that God is the total realization of personal human potential. (2001)
15% say God is no longer involved in their life. (1997)

Almost nine out of ten people (87%) say the universe was originally created by God. (2000)

Thanks Helen

Bloop · 01-26-2003, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by Beyelzu

--Who gets to go to heave?

Usually me when consuming vast amounts of beer or being subjected to the God Channel for an extended period of time.

Sorry just had to...

Marduk · 01-26-2003, 03:47 PM

Amie said:

"not on cocaine but another drug years ago I was convinced that I was Anubis, that Jackal looking Egyptian God of the dead...creepy"

he he, Anubis is cool. Many people encounter animal headed 'gods' while under the influence of certain substances, usually DMT.

Isis had a twin sister Nepthys who tricked Osiris, Isis's hubby, into 'sleeping' with her, she had a son Anubis.

odd though that he had a dogs head, neither Osiris or Isis looked anything but human, also very strange that Horus, the son of Isis and Osiris had a hawks head, for the same reason.
what's up with that?

lpetrich · 01-26-2003, 10:24 PM

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10% believe that that God represents a state of higher consciousness. (2001)
7% believe that God is the total realization of personal human potential. (2001)

Meaning that 17% of all Americans believe in a New-Age version of "God"!

But I doubt that that is much more absurd than the anthropomorphic-superbeing God of the Bible.

Jack the Bodiless · 01-27-2003, 06:06 AM

Are there similar stats for Europe?

Very few people go to church in the UK, but there's been an assumption that most British people would consider themselves "Christian" if asked. This assumption may now be false, however. Unfortunately the recent census results aren't available yet (as far as I know), but here's some food for thought:

More people attend mosques than churches: on the basis of attendance at organized religious worship, Britain is now a Muslim nation.

Only 30% of children are baptized, a requirement of all the major Christian denominations in the UK.

Edit: Correction, 21%

...and still falling, I think.

Monkey · 01-27-2003, 09:00 AM

Oow a survey.

- who was the Apostle Paul?
Some person from Christian mythology.

- can you name any of the Gospel books?
Yes, all of them. Stories from Christian mythology.

- what does the term "born again" mean to you?
Professing to something you know just aint so.

- when was the last time you attended church?
About 3 years ago.

- Do people really go to Hell?
Yes. I went about 3 years ago.

- Do you believe in creation and the great flood?
If by "creation" you mean the big bang and by "great flood" you mean decent wih modification. Absolutely.

- Do you believe in the miracles of Jesus Christ?
Nope.

- What is God? (I threw that one in just cause I've always wanted to know)
God was an idea invented by primitive people to explain phenomenon that at the time were unexplainable.

- Do you get to heaven on faith or deeds?
Neither. Faith or no faith, good deeds or bad deeds, your worm food buddy.

Proxima Centauri · 01-27-2003, 09:38 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gemma Therese

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[i]-
- Do people really go to Hell?

Yes.

- Do you believe in creation and the great flood?

The flood is, I believe, a symbolic story of human corruption.

- God is the perfect Being, Creator of heaven and earth.

- Do you get to heaven on faith or deeds?

Both. Read Matthew 25.

Gemma Therese

Well I've had a look at Matthew 25. Silly, isn't it?

You believe the flood is a symbolic story of human corruption. How much else in the Bible is symbolic?

God is the perfect Being? The perfect Being allows Hell to exist? The perfect Being allows people to go to Hell? Silly, isn't it?

01-27-2003, 09:00 AM	#27
Monkey Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 93	Re: Most Americans believe in God? Oow a survey. - who was the Apostle Paul? Some person from Christian mythology. - can you name any of the Gospel books? Yes, all of them. Stories from Christian mythology. - what does the term "born again" mean to you? Professing to something you know just aint so. - when was the last time you attended church? About 3 years ago. - Do people really go to Hell? Yes. I went about 3 years ago. - Do you believe in creation and the great flood? If by "creation" you mean the big bang and by "great flood" you mean decent wih modification. Absolutely. - Do you believe in the miracles of Jesus Christ? Nope. - What is God? (I threw that one in just cause I've always wanted to know) God was an idea invented by primitive people to explain phenomenon that at the time were unexplainable. - Do you get to heaven on faith or deeds? Neither. Faith or no faith, good deeds or bad deeds, your worm food buddy.

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01-26-2003, 03:47 PM	#24
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	Amie said: "not on cocaine but another drug years ago I was convinced that I was Anubis, that Jackal looking Egyptian God of the dead...creepy" he he, Anubis is cool. Many people encounter animal headed 'gods' while under the influence of certain substances, usually DMT. Isis had a twin sister Nepthys who tricked Osiris, Isis's hubby, into 'sleeping' with her, she had a son Anubis. odd though that he had a dogs head, neither Osiris or Isis looked anything but human, also very strange that Horus, the son of Isis and Osiris had a hawks head, for the same reason. what's up with that?

01-27-2003, 06:06 AM	#26
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	Are there similar stats for Europe? Very few people go to church in the UK, but there's been an assumption that most British people would consider themselves "Christian" if asked. This assumption may now be false, however. Unfortunately the recent census results aren't available yet (as far as I know), but here's some food for thought: More people attend mosques than churches: on the basis of attendance at organized religious worship, Britain is now a Muslim nation. Only 30% of children are baptized, a requirement of all the major Christian denominations in the UK. Edit: Correction, 21% ...and still falling, I think.

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