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mike_decock · 04-04-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by paul30
Video games?

If it's Counter-Strike I might reconsider my atheist stance.

-Mike...

Goliath · 04-04-2003, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by spurly
My idea of what we will do in heaven is the same thing we were supposed to do in the beginning. Love God, let him love us, revel in that relationship, and do whatever work he assigns us to do. However, the main thing is that it is all about having a relationship with God that lasts forever.

Kevin

So people in heaven will get to kiss the xian god's holy ass for all eternity? No thanks, I'd rather go to hell.

Sincerely,

Goliath

mike_decock · 04-04-2003, 12:51 PM

Is it just me, but wouldn't eternal life equate with eternal boredom?

-Mike...

Hedwig · 04-04-2003, 12:52 PM

Well, there'd better be a pub.

Birdsmgp · 04-04-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by spurly
My idea of what we will do in heaven is the same thing we were supposed to do in the beginning. Love God, let him love us, revel in that relationship, and do whatever work he assigns us to do. However, the main thing is that it is all about having a relationship with God that lasts forever.

Kevin

... When I was a Theist Christian. I had expected "God" to reveal himself accordingly. But never does. If the most important thing to "God" is this, then cowards from it. This is Cynical! Absurd! I can see why "God" can't be real, when "God" doesn't even make himself apparent for the very cause of this.

(More reasons for Atheism for me.)

sullster · 04-04-2003, 03:15 PM

Heaven sounds like hell to me. Every conception of it that is presented by believers could be a type of hell without fire and pain. Boredom and endless serenity can also be types of pain.

Hanging around worshipping an obviously immoral god is a vision of hell for me. Then, add being with the likes of Billy Graham or any average fundy you have met. That is a vision of hell, not heaven. Spending eternity with that crowd is a terrible vision of hell, that is far worse than fire and devils.

If prefer sweet oblivion. It is not something I look forward to, but total personal oblivion is far better than hellish heaven or heavenish hell.

Mageth · 04-04-2003, 03:26 PM

You could travel and always have New experiences in things un-imagined all the time.

Perhaps you don't understand the concept of eternity...after a while (eternity is a long time

), you'll have done everything possible, experienced every possible experience (except dying, apparently). And then you can start over and do it all again. And again. More times than all the atoms in the universe raised to the power of all the milliseconds since the beginning of the universe. And you'd still have all eternity to keep repeating it over and over again, without ceasing, until it was rote repitition to you.

Eternity, when you think of it, will eventually be nothing but endless repetition. How could it not be boring, unless our "boring meter" is disabled? And if it was, then we could sit in one spot and bounce a ball for all eternity. Not much of an existence to look forward to, IMO.

Justin70 · 04-04-2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
You could travel and always have New experiences in things un-imagined all the time.

Perhaps you don't understand the concept of eternity...after a while (eternity is a long time ), you'll have done everything possible, experienced every possible experience (except dying, apparently). And then you can start over and do it all again. And again. More times than all the atoms in the universe raised to the power of all the milliseconds since the beginning of the universe. And you'd still have all eternity to keep repeating it over and over again, without ceasing, until it was rote repitition to you.

Eternity, when you think of it, will eventually be nothing but endless repetition. How could it not be boring, unless our "boring meter" is disabled? And if it was, then we could sit in one spot and bounce a ball for all eternity. Not much of an existence to look forward to, IMO.

Which is why I'm going to be enjoying my nice LONG dirt nap when I finally die. =) Perhaps I'll be reincarnated as a playmate model? Or a rat? Or maybe a fundie Christian? <shudder> I can't believe I just said that . . RUN!

lpetrich · 04-04-2003, 03:58 PM

There was a Twilight Zone episode, "A Nice Place to Visit", that presented the conundrum of Heaven very well.

A small-time criminal got shot by a cop, and when he woke up, he found himself in a very nice place where he could have a fancy car, he could win all the card games, and he could pick up every woman he hit on.

After a while, he starts getting bored and he wonders what "that other place" would be like. And the place's caretaker said:

You are in "that other place"!!!

Mageth · 04-04-2003, 05:17 PM

I recently saw that episode (again). IIRC, Sebastian Cabot was his escort in the "other place."

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04-04-2003, 12:51 PM	#23
mike_decock Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,505	Is it just me, but wouldn't eternal life equate with eternal boredom? -Mike...

04-04-2003, 03:15 PM	#26
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	Heaven sounds like hell to me. Every conception of it that is presented by believers could be a type of hell without fire and pain. Boredom and endless serenity can also be types of pain. Hanging around worshipping an obviously immoral god is a vision of hell for me. Then, add being with the likes of Billy Graham or any average fundy you have met. That is a vision of hell, not heaven. Spending eternity with that crowd is a terrible vision of hell, that is far worse than fire and devils. If prefer sweet oblivion. It is not something I look forward to, but total personal oblivion is far better than hellish heaven or heavenish hell.

04-04-2003, 03:26 PM	#27
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	You could travel and always have New experiences in things un-imagined all the time. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of eternity...after a while (eternity is a long time ), you'll have done everything possible, experienced every possible experience (except dying, apparently). And then you can start over and do it all again. And again. More times than all the atoms in the universe raised to the power of all the milliseconds since the beginning of the universe. And you'd still have all eternity to keep repeating it over and over again, without ceasing, until it was rote repitition to you. Eternity, when you think of it, will eventually be nothing but endless repetition. How could it not be boring, unless our "boring meter" is disabled? And if it was, then we could sit in one spot and bounce a ball for all eternity. Not much of an existence to look forward to, IMO.

04-04-2003, 03:58 PM	#29
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	There was a Twilight Zone episode, "A Nice Place to Visit", that presented the conundrum of Heaven very well. A small-time criminal got shot by a cop, and when he woke up, he found himself in a very nice place where he could have a fancy car, he could win all the card games, and he could pick up every woman he hit on. After a while, he starts getting bored and he wonders what "that other place" would be like. And the place's caretaker said: You are in "that other place"!!!

04-04-2003, 05:17 PM	#30
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	I recently saw that episode (again). IIRC, Sebastian Cabot was his escort in the "other place."

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