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JonathanChance · 03-16-2003, 11:06 AM

Well, since I'm home for spring break, I had a look at their ISP's message Board. I found this little thing which kind of ticked me off.

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HOW MUCH MORE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF NORTH AMERICA TO PUT UP WITH IN THE NAME OF TOLERANCE. WHAT ARE THOSE WISHIE WASHIE JUDGES DOING SITTING ON THE SUPREME COURT OF BOTH COUNTRIES. MORE IMPORTANTLY WHERE ARE THE LAW MAKER? WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO START DOING THE JOB THEY ARE BEING PAID TO DO? ITS TIME THE PEOPLE GOT AFTER THEIR REPRESENTATIVES & SENATORS AND THE MPs TO CHANGE THE LAWS BACK TO WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THEM TO BE WHEN GROWING UP.
Subject: Roane County High School-Policy STATEMENT AT A FOOTBALL GAME

This is a statement that was read over the PA system at the football game at Roane County High School, Kingston,
Tennessee, by school Principal, Jody McLoud. I thought it was worth sharing with the world and hope you will forward it to
all your friends. It shows clearly just how far this country has gone in the wrong direction.

"It has always been the custom at Roane County High School football games, to say a prayer and play the
National Anthem, to honor God and Country."

Due to a recent ruling by the Supreme Court, I am told that saying a Prayer is a violation of Federal Case Law.
As I understand the law at this time, I can use this public facility to approve of sexual perversion and call it "an
alternate lifestyle," and if someone is offended, that's OK.

I can use it to condone sexual promiscuity, by dispensing condoms and calling it, "safe sex." If someone is
offended, that's OK.

I can even use this public facility to present the merits of killing an unborn baby as a "viable means of birth
control." If someone is offended, no problem.

I can designate a school day as "Earth Day" and involve students in activities to worship religiously and praise
the goddess "Mother Earth" and call it "ecology."

I can use literature, videos and presentations in the classroom that depict people with strong, traditional
Christian convictions as "simple minded" and "ignorant" and call it "enlightenment."

However, if anyone uses this facility to honor God and to ask Him to bless this event with safety and good sportsmanship,
then Federal Case Law is violated.

This appears to be inconsistent at best, and at worst, diabolical. Apparently, we are to be tolerant of everything
and anyone, except God and His Commandments.

Nevertheless, as a school principal, I frequently ask staff and students to abide by rules with which they do not
necessarily agree. For me to do otherwise would be inconsistent at best, and at worst, hypocritical. I suffer from
that affliction enough unintentionally. I certainly do not need to add an intentional transgression.

For this reason, I shall "Render unto Caesar that which is
Caesar's," and refrain from praying at this time.

"However, if you feel inspired to honor, praise and thank God and ask Him, in the name of Jesus, to bless this
event, please feel free to do so. As far as I know, that's not against the law----yet."

One by one, the people in the stands bowed their heads, held hands with one another and began to pray.

They prayed in the stands. They prayed in the team huddles. They prayed at the concession stand and they
prayed in the Announcer's Box!

The only place they didn't pray was in the Supreme Court of the United States of America - the Seat of
"Justice" in the "one nation, under God."

Somehow, Kingston, Tennessee remembered what so many have forgotten. We are given the Freedom OF
Religion, not the Freedom FROM Religion.

BigBlue2 · 03-16-2003, 03:36 PM

Let's see how much of this I can slam with my limited knowledge. The more knowledgeable members here will no doubt chime in with their own comments.

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HOW MUCH MORE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OF NORTH AMERICA TO PUT UP WITH IN THE NAME OF TOLERANCE. WHAT ARE THOSE WISHIE WASHIE JUDGES DOING SITTING ON THE SUPREME COURT OF BOTH COUNTRIES. MORE IMPORTANTLY WHERE ARE THE LAW MAKER? WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO START DOING THE JOB THEY ARE BEING PAID TO DO? ITS TIME THE PEOPLE GOT AFTER THEIR REPRESENTATIVES & SENATORS AND THE MPs TO CHANGE THE LAWS BACK TO WHERE MOST OF THE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THEM TO BE WHEN GROWING UP.

Well yelling always helps to get your point across - even if said point is rubbish.

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Subject: Roane County High School-Policy STATEMENT AT A FOOTBALL GAME

This is a statement that was read over the PA system at the football game at Roane County High School, Kingston,
Tennessee, by school Principal, Jody McLoud. I thought it was worth sharing with the world and hope you will forward it to
all your friends. It shows clearly just how far this country has gone in the wrong direction.

Only if the Christian Theocratic States of America is the right direction.

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"It has always been the custom at Roane County High School football games, to say a prayer and play the
National Anthem, to honor God and Country."

Due to a recent ruling by the Supreme Court, I am told that saying a Prayer is a violation of Federal Case Law.

Actually, it's a violation of the establishment clause in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

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As I understand the law at this time, I can use this public facility to approve of sexual perversion and call it "an
alternate lifestyle," and if someone is offended, that's OK.

If by "sexual perversion" you mean homosexuality, then yes, that's fine, AFAIK.

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I can use it to condone sexual promiscuity, by dispensing condoms and calling it, "safe sex." If someone is
offended, that's OK.

Right again. Well done, professor.

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I can even use this public facility to present the merits of killing an unborn baby as a "viable means of birth control." If someone is offended, no problem.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure in the United States, so yes, you can do that. Whether it is appropriate to give a speech on abortion at a footy game, I leave to you to decide.

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I can designate a school day as "Earth Day" and involve students in activities to worship religiously and praise
the goddess "Mother Earth" and call it "ecology."

Not if you do it in the way you have stated. The first amendment prohibits this just as it prohibits Christian prayer at footy games. I know this stuffs up your Christian persecution complex. So solly.

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I can use literature, videos and presentations in the classroom that depict people with strong, traditional
Christian convictions as "simple minded" and "ignorant" and call it "enlightenment."

Depends on the circumstances, I suppose.

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However, if anyone uses this facility to honor God and to ask Him to bless this event with safety and good sportsmanship, then Federal Case Law is violated.

No, the first amendment is violated. See above.

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This appears to be inconsistent at best, and at worst, diabolical. Apparently, we are to be tolerant of everything
and anyone, except God and His Commandments.

You can be tolerant of God and his commandments all you like. Just don't your position as a government official to shove your superstition down the throats of a captive audience.

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Nevertheless, as a school principal, I frequently ask staff and students to abide by rules with which they do not
necessarily agree. For me to do otherwise would be inconsistent at best, and at worst, hypocritical. I suffer from that affliction enough unintentionally. I certainly do not need to add an intentional transgression.

For this reason, I shall "Render unto Caesar that which is
Caesar's," and refrain from praying at this time.

Excellent. People obeying the law - that's what I like to see.

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"However, if you feel inspired to honor, praise and thank God and ask Him, in the name of Jesus, to bless this
event, please feel free to do so. As far as I know, that's not against the law----yet."

Indeed, it isn't. Private, silent prayer is perfectly OK. As long as you don't force anyone to participate.

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One by one, the people in the stands bowed their heads, held hands with one another and began to pray.

They prayed in the stands. They prayed in the team huddles. They prayed at the concession stand and they
prayed in the Announcer's Box!

Oh stop, you're making baby Satan cry.

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The only place they didn't pray was in the Supreme Court of the United States of America - the Seat of
"Justice" in the "one nation, under God."

The USA is a secular republic, not a Christian theocracy. Exodus 23:1, Christbot.

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Somehow, Kingston, Tennessee remembered what so many have forgotten. We are given the Freedom OF Religion, not the Freedom FROM Religion.

See previous comment.

JonathanChance · 03-16-2003, 06:22 PM

Here's what one of the dittoheads said in response to this little gem:

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Yes, the USA is going downhill fast. America was founded on Christian principles; yet, the Holy Bible and prayer are not allowed. Rita Cline who was State Treasurer for the state of Kansas wanted to display "In God We Trust" in her office. She was not allowed to do so, so she took them to court, AND WON. There's a big argument about the Ten Commandments. Our laws are based on the Ten Commandments, so why not display them? What is there to be ashamed of in prayer, in the Holy Bible, etc.? One day the Lord will return for judgment. Those who are now ashamed of Him, will know on That Day, how ashamed He is of mankind. Ruth Ann

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

LATER EDIT:

Here's antoher gem of wisdom:

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It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Why don't we just tell the 14% to shut up and sit down????

topane · 03-17-2003, 09:46 AM

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It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Why don't we just tell the 14% to shut up and sit down????

Here's a good article from the archives.

Shake · 03-18-2003, 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by topane
Here's a good article from the archives.

Ah yes, that's a good one topane! Thanks for posting this link again. It's a keeper!

My folks were at the house last night and Mom read me the other email godspam that mentions prayer at football games, telling those of us who don't like it to: go to the bathroom, visit the concession stands, call your lawyer (which "unfortunately one or two will do"), etc. I just sat there biting my tongue through the whole thing. Dad was laughing at parts that I didn't find particularly funny. I know that one's been posted 'round these parts before, I'll see if I can find it again.

pug846 · 03-19-2003, 02:12 PM

Yes - like we should have told those fucking black people to shut up when they wanted to be emancipated. They couldn't have made up more than 20% of the population.

Where is this message board btw?

Shake · 03-20-2003, 10:23 AM

Found it ... sort of. Actually I started my own thread about it in SL&S.

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Shake Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Folding@Home in upstate NY Posts: 14,394	Re: godspam mentioned in my previous post Found it ... sort of. Actually I started my own thread about it in SL&S.

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