Daggah

Hey Rad, could you turn that silence down?

It's deafening.

ybnormal

Originally posted by Radoth:
LOL!!! This from the man who makes statements beginning with "you xians."

and later...

We know your opinion of "you xians" now Yb, and you are certainly entitled to it.

Why thank you Rad, for recognizing my personal opinion. As far as I know, I am the only person around here who makes the case that "a Christian is a Xian is a Xn."

And whenever I say precisely, "you xians", I am always obviously addressing an individual directly, like yourself, and including ONLY those xians like youself, only those xians who are saying the same things you are saying, only those xians who are pushing whatever mind drug you personally are pushing.

Whenever I want to include ALL xians, I am perfectly capable of saying exactly that... "ALL xians".

Besides, since I've been able to make a case that connects ALL xians as one, a case that you too have been unable or unwilling to dispute, I am obliged to use it, at least until you or someone else legitimately corrects me. Of course, I only felt the need to make such a case, after most every xian I encountered, yourself included, has tried to escape any and all personal responsibility for the actions of the cult they otherwise so proudly identify with.

It ain't my job to pick and choose who a real xian is, anymore than it's your job to pick and choose who a real Atheist is. If one claims he's a Democrat, it's readily accepted that he's a Democrat. I see no reason for you OR me to doubt only some folks who claim to be a Christian.


I am rather careful to use phrases like "some" atheists or "most skeptics here..."

No you're not!


And I have openly praised at least one atheist writer and one agnostic historian.

And I suppose you can also say, "Some of my best friends are Black."


We never hear you praising a Christian, do we?

Whenever I meet the first xian who does not attempt to include me personally in their cult, while simultaneously calling for my extinction, I promise that I will praise said xian.

Of course, technically, that person could not be a xian anymore, right? An impossibility...


Rather than getting into a semantics war, I think I will just let the readers decide. I'm sure my assertion that it is a "mixed bag" will not go over their heads.

Fine! I'll take that as a complete withdrawal.


What you fail to realize is that integrity is very little connected to what one believes...

Integrity most definitely IS connected when one believes, the uselessness of good works

I see that as a most profound, sad and dangerous statement. One could easily follow that into your advocating everything you rail against in the public schools... into your advocating ignoring man's law... into your advocating chaos and insurrection... into your advocating the destruction of our society as we know it, not to mention your continued lack of respect for the U.S. Constitution and its Creators.

It never ceases to amaze me how "you xians" can reconcile the uselessness of good works, with your incessant claims that xians are the only "real" do-gooders on the planet, all the while charging that without your God's help, nonxians are by default, morally bankrupt and incapable of good works.

As a group, "you xians" are a most confused people. And yes, their integrity is in question.


...and more connected to the whether one follows his or her own rules.

A scary confirmation? What "his own rules"? Personal rules that say, that if I, or even another xian, spends his life obeying the law and society's rules and does nothing but good works, his productive life has been useless? Who says? Just because he may not utter a few words selected out of an old rulebook? As in your, At least we insist on some sort of evidence amongst ourselves.?

I suggest there is no such "evidence" Rad... your fellow xians fool you all the time... I repeat, you guys only want everyone to appear xian... that's all you ever get anyway... the appearance... every family and every individual has personal, sinful, unchristian secrets. Even Catholics who "appear" in confessionals.

Radorth

In other words folks, "Luther has no place in reforming the church because he was a bigot."

Well there you go. More flawless logic from the "rational" thinkers on the secweb who alone understand the meaning of ad hominem.


Rad

Radorth

And I have never taken away from Thomas Paine's contribution because of his dirty laundry, have I?

When you are done with Luther, why don't you work on Paine, otherwise you might leave the impression only Christians are bigots.

BTW, I found a skeptic's site which calls Paine a bigot. Interested?

But Of course Christians realize we're all sinners, so they aren't much interested in slanderous gossip. You guys are on your own.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

Does this mean you`ll be packing up your revival/circus tent and moving it all on over to some other atheist website?

Sweet lord in Heaven! Please tell me that`s what you meant.

Toto

Those are your words, not those of anyone here. Luther was a raving bigot and a reformer.

Radorth

I meant "slanderous gossip, especially about dead people." Sorry for any confusion.

Now Fenton, you know nothing said here has been slanderous. It's really just harmless libel from folks who just "call 'em like I see 'em."

Rad

Toto

Rad: this is your moderator speaking. You have a nasty habit of saying: I found this site that says x, interested?

Please stop this teasing and just give us the site. Anyone who is not interested can ignore it.

I have this suspicion that you do not know how to cut and paste a URL. Prove me wrong!

Radorth

Toto, I have to ask. How dumb you think people are here?

I was talking about what came out of "Luther's research" and some of you launched into a mass attack on Luther's character in response.

I think "Luther has no place in reforming the church because he was a bigot" pretty well sums up what happened there. You obviously did not want to discuss the point, at best.

How would you like it if the next time you mention Paine's contribution, somebody talks about what a bigot he was?

I can see it now. Four pages of instructions to the offender on how to debate.

Wrong again. I've already done it, but then, you don't actually read my posts.

http://www.tektonics.org/JPH_CN2.html

Rad

Toto

Rad - Luther is well known as a bigot and also a reformer. The Lutheran Church has apologized for his bigotry, which fed into the holocaust. He is a historic figure but not a good role model and not an argument for Christianity.

TEKTONICS?? Do you know what this site is? Tektonics is not run by a skeptic - it is a Christian apologetic web site, run by J. P. Holding, a/k/a Robert Turkel, someone with even lower standards than David Barton. He accuses Paine of being a "graphocentric bigot" because he does not believe that oral legends behind the Bible are true. He calls Paine a bigot for calling Revelation a "book of riddles". He throws the word around with abandon, but has no evidence of anything that most of us would recognize as bigotry.

Just try quoting Turkel on these boards, Rad. I'll try to stand out of the way.