Rima

Hello:

too many topics about Jesus and his "DIVINITY" , here I would like to focus on a different thing .


did people who have lived in Jesus`s time know about his divinity?


Did Mary know that she has God (the fetus God) himself in her womb

when she delivered (the baby God) did she actually know that she had given birth to God himself ?

but she had delivery pain just like any ordinary woman

was Jesus any exception:

if we read Luke 2:22

22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord
23(as it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the LORD"),
24and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, "A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons."

we found that Jesus was no exception of the Jewish law , Mary has to go through the whole process of purification, and to sacrifice offers , just as it was required in the law of Moses


was Jesus any exception:

Luke 2:21
21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS

not at all , Jesus (the Baby God) has to be circumcised , just like all ordinary babies
now the question is:
did his people know that they actually circumcised God himself


after the circumcision , and after they cut off a part of his male organ , what did they do with it
if they knew that he was God , then they should keep his cut parts , worship it , kiss it ..

Did they know about Jesus`s divinity

blessings

Doctor X

The Synoptics, particularly Mk, suggest that followers--whom they ridicule--did not recognize Junior as divine.

Of course, Mk presents a nice piece where Junior's Mum and family come to sort of "take him away"--which demonstrates that Mk was not uncomfortable with his family's failure of recognition. Indeed, he uses the story to allow Junior to announce that the following crowd is really his "family."

How much of that is "history?" At the stage of Mk's composition, it would seem that he was comfortable with presenting the family's failure of recognition, and his readers would be as well.

--J.D.

Magus55

Rima, Mary knew the Holy Spirit would overshadow her, and her child would be the Christ and the Son of God.

Rima

it seems to me (and every one) that Mary has no clue , that she is actually the mother of God himself , after having pain , and after the purification process , sacrifices , circumcision etc , it seems that nobody had any idea about his divine nature (especialy after they cut off his divine organ)

but here you are probably talking about:
Luke 1:34-36 , thank you , so much , you have just given me material for some more facts :


who did what :
God is three in one ,lets say we have three forms of Gods (because they are all one God)
so we have :
God 1 (The father)
God 2 (the son)
God 3(the Holy spirit now pay attention please:

Luke 1:34-36

34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"
35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

according to these verses , The HOLY SPIRIT (i.e God number 3) will come upon Mary, the power of God the father (i.e God number 1) will overshadow Mary , so the son (i.e. God number 2) will be born
and then he(the god number 2) will be son of God (god number 1)

this is the most cofusing claim , that humans have ever come up with
if all these three Gods are one (or as some may say three forms of one God) then

who did what , who blessed mary, Who concieved Mary ,and who was actualy born

thanks and God bless

agnawstick

Forgetting the "divinity" of Jesus for a second, when Jesus came back to Nazareth and was preaching the people there were amazed that the carpenter's son was doing it.

There is no indication from anywhere that Jesus was doing anything "profound" until John baptized him. We have bible thumpers who are 12 years old. Jesus turned 16, then 18, then 21, then 25 and nothing signifigant came out of his mouth, at least nothing that anybody bothered recording.

I would be shocked if his mother thought he would amount to that much. If somebody came to you and told you that your newborn was the messiah, and still at age 25 he was just being a joe six pack, you would kinda doubt it. You would though be nagging him like crazy to get a move on if you believed it.

The ebionite sect believed that Jesus was just a regular dude until he got baptized. It makes sense from the scant facts we have.

Magus55

God the Father, who is the Creator of the Universe - He is the Godhead of the trinity. The Holy Spirit is kind of like the spirit/soul of God the Father, i guess you could say. So God the Father blessed Mary, and sent down the Holy Spirit to indwell Mary with Jesus. All three parts of the Trinity work in unison here. Jesus, or the Son of God, is the word of God incarnate in the flesh. So to your question, who was born is Jesus Christ, the word of God as a mortal, perfect human.

Amos

Of course Mary knew because the angel Gabriel had told her so. Actually Mary was waiting for this message and to protect her spiritual virginity she remained distant from Joseph until then (the flipside here is that Joseph was a man of integrity). Joseph-the-Jew did not really know even if the message of Gabriel came across to Joseph in a dream.

The_Unknown_Banana

You know, some of you are probably getting sick of this.. :P but I can't help but compare things to ancient egyptian history now.

My thoughts being that, there are so many christians who claim their god is special because he is the only one to send his own son/self to earth. Well, not so. Ancient egyptians believed that the king actually gained the spirit of their god during conception (and became the god, I guess), hence every born king was believed to be the son of the god.

Anyway, as for whether Mary herself knew she was carrying a divine baby? Well, since she was supposed to be a virgin... I'd say she'd have to have known?? Must have been a bugger for Joseph though! Wonder if he suspected anything...

Rima

lets see what did Gabriel tell Mary :
Luke 1:30-33

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

as you see my friend Gabriel did not mention a single word about Jesus`s divinity

nobody knew , or even thought (at that time) that God will be born

to say that God has birth , and human body is a worst blasphemy in the Jewish culture (then and now)

his didvinity was founded many years later

Jesus , his message and later his disceples were rejected by the Jews (the people to whome Jesus was actually sent) that is the reason why his disceples wanted to spread the message to others than the jews (romans , greek ..etc) , and then the message had to be modified in oreder to be accepted by these (priviously polytheistic ) nations .

Jesus (in the NT) has never mentioned his divinity
he has never said I AM GOD , WORSHIP ME

belssings

Rima

exactly
babylonians , asyrians , egyptians ,Persians had similar myths , (the virgin mother of God) , God the sacrifice
look at all these ancient myths , you will see too many similarities
with Jesus


marduk , horus,hiracles,osiris ...etc