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chekmate · 04-08-2002, 05:47 PM

I was having a debate with a Christian today, and we were just kinda chatting about God and stuff, and I decided was going to use one of my usual arguments that started off with:

Me: Do you believe that God is perfect?
Her: No
Me: No?
Her: No
Me: How can you not believe that god is perfect?
Her: Nothing's perfect

I just didn't know how to respond to that. With that one word, she single handedly laid to rest 90% of all my arguments against the Chrisitian God. Tell me, what would you have said? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Queen of Swords · 04-08-2002, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by chekmate:
<strong>God isn't perfect... </strong>

...just forgiven?

bonduca · 04-08-2002, 06:02 PM

Methos · 04-08-2002, 06:30 PM

Okay, so she said that God isn't perfect. But does she believe the Bible is perfect?

Eric

tronvillain · 04-08-2002, 06:42 PM

Seems like a fairly realistic Christian, since anyone who claims that "God is perfect" is making a meaningless statement. Perfect by what definition?

DarkDruid · 04-08-2002, 06:46 PM

"Do you believe God exists?" would be a better prompt.

Maybe you should ask your friend to describe their idea of God and then debunk that. You can't prove a negative, you know... and getting their definition of God is better than going on assumed statements.

Answerer · 04-08-2002, 07:44 PM

Okay, everything boils down to this question of who actually understand God very well? So, chekmate, from the way that christian speak she talked as if she know God very well.

braces_for_impact · 04-08-2002, 07:53 PM

I have encountered the same situation. My next response was "Then why call him god?" If god is not perfect, and one could certainly garner as much from looking about in the world, then why is he worthy of repect, adoration, and worship? The most logical answer is of course that he is not.
To quote Epicurus: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

04-08-2002, 05:47 PM	#1
chekmate Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Downriver Detroit Posts: 1,961	God Isn't perfect... I was having a debate with a Christian today, and we were just kinda chatting about God and stuff, and I decided was going to use one of my usual arguments that started off with: Me: Do you believe that God is perfect? Her: No Me: No? Her: No Me: How can you not believe that god is perfect? Her: Nothing's perfect I just didn't know how to respond to that. With that one word, she single handedly laid to rest 90% of all my arguments against the Chrisitian God. Tell me, what would you have said? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

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04-08-2002, 05:55 PM	#2
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by chekmate: <strong>God isn't perfect... </strong> ...just forgiven?

04-08-2002, 06:02 PM	#3
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653

04-08-2002, 06:30 PM	#4
Methos Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 45	Okay, so she said that God isn't perfect. But does she believe the Bible is perfect? Eric

04-08-2002, 06:42 PM	#5
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Seems like a fairly realistic Christian, since anyone who claims that "God is perfect" is making a meaningless statement. Perfect by what definition?

04-08-2002, 06:46 PM	#6
DarkDruid Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 131	"Do you believe God exists?" would be a better prompt. Maybe you should ask your friend to describe their idea of God and then debunk that. You can't prove a negative, you know... and getting their definition of God is better than going on assumed statements.

04-08-2002, 07:44 PM	#7
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Okay, everything boils down to this question of who actually understand God very well? So, chekmate, from the way that christian speak she talked as if she know God very well.

04-08-2002, 07:53 PM	#8
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	I have encountered the same situation. My next response was "Then why call him god?" If god is not perfect, and one could certainly garner as much from looking about in the world, then why is he worthy of repect, adoration, and worship? The most logical answer is of course that he is not. To quote Epicurus: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

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