tdekeyser

Seebs, wildernese and all the rest please tell me your opinion.

I see Christianity as a very racist religion, hence I do not group Theist in that group. Of course a xian is a theist, but is a theist a Christian?

Am I a sinner?

The negative racist Christian belief system is that I am. Does your system tell you that too?

seebs

Could you slow down a bit and explain what the "racist" part of Christianity is? I seem to have missed that. Anyway, no, not all theists are Christians, but all Christians are theists.

My theology says that everybody is "a sinner". This shouldn't be seen as such an amazingly weird assertion; I've never met anyone who claimed to have a moral or ethical system, and who plausibly claimed never to have violated it.

tdekeyser

Being called a 'sinner' is a bit harsh is it not? To someone like me, a sinner is a negative thing, and I am being called a name that is negative. That is the first problem.

The second problem is that the person calling me thins name REALLY believes that I am that. That is racist isn't it?

If I called a person a 'heathen', then that would not be nice. If I believed it, then I have a HUGE problem with my worldview of others.

Here is some small clips that show what I mean:
http://home.attbi.com/~tdekeyser0/1.asf
http://home.attbi.com/~tdekeyser0/2.asf

brighid

Calling some a sinner is not racist, no more then saying someone is mistaken for believing in a particular God is racist.


I do not agree with the idea of Original Sin, but I understand the concept that all people will at some points and at others make mistakes, even morally incorrect mistakes and in this case “sin” as defined by Judeo-Christian moral theology. In this way everyone can be defined as a “sinner”, even if we do not agree that each of us are inherently tainted and flawed by the mere act of being born through the eternal curse of the alleged errors of Adam and Eve.

Brighid

wildernesse

I'd say a good deal of Christians don't believe in Original Sin, but they believe that all people sin--in that we all make mistakes and do things that hurt ourselves and others.

I don't know how believing that humans make mistakes equals racism either, could you explain that better?

And while all Christians are theists, not all theists are Christians.

For someone who's Amish, you certainly ask a lot of questions.

--tibac

seebs

It is not, in fact, a bit harsh. It's like saying "you're imperfect". Everyone is. There's no exceptions. (Well, maybe one exception.)

How so? Racist would be if people formed opinions about you based solely on your apparent ethnic group. "sinner" is something that can safely be said of pretty much any human.

I am willing to say, based on general experience, that you are "a sinner", same as everyone else, and I don't know what color or sex you are, and I only think I know your species because I'm only aware of one species that uses language like this. Am I sexist? Racist? Nah, I'm just observing that all humans are imperfect.

I can't read an "asf" file, sorry.

Amie

I don't agree that Christianity is racist.

no. The only theists that are Christians are the Christian ones

I believe we all are. So yes but you are in good company...

sinner? yes...but about this racism thing...

wildernesse

Also, I never realized that "heathen" was a bad thing to call anyone. In my family, all children and cats are heathens. Dogs are never heathens.

I am sorry if this is offensive--but why exactly is "heathen" offensive? I would never call anyone that (outside of my furry children and cousins) because it is basically a diminuitive and you don't call strange people by diminuitives.

Rufus asked me before what we meant when we called each other heathens--and it boiled down to being wild/uncontrollable and amusing. (As in if I were 7 years old and running around the house, howling--children do this in my family, there used to be a reason--my father might laugh and call me a little heathen.) What does it mean to you?

Thanks

--tibac

tdekeyser

I am NOT a sinner. That is absolutely OFFENSIVE.


1) A label given to humans from Xinaity to describe them as 'imperfect'

This is stupid because there is no such thing as perfection in humans, so you are labeled a negative.

tdekeyser's definition of SIN:

1) A piece of shit, a bad person, an imperfection, awful, stinky, trash, vile, heathen.

I am none of these except imperfect (duh!). There is no reason anyone should call ANYONE a sinner. It is VERY offensive.

If it is not a negative thing, then why do we need to be saved by it and why did god use it to punish all humans? HUH?

tdekeyser

hea·then

One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.


Uncivilized?? Very offesive!


sin·ner

1) One that sins or does wrong; a transgressor.
2) A scamp.


VERY offensive!!

evildoer

: a person who sins

Anyone got any defense to the TRUTH???