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Old 06-30-2003, 04:48 AM   #31
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Exactly that is the reason, how can a God of Love say these things?
Don't ask me, ask the Christians.

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I don't know if Jesus said that, but it surely counters the God Jesus presents in say the Gospel of Thomas.
You mean to say contradicts.

Much in the way Charlie's girls loved Manson.

"We were all called Charlie's girls, but Charlie often told us, in fact every day he told us, 'You people do not belong to me, you belong to yourself.' But I personally thought that I belonged to Charlie. He had sexual intercourse with all of us girls. In the begining I was jealous until I came to an understanding that he was only making love to the girls for the purpose of love and also to give them back to themselves. We-- the girls-- had sexual relations with each other. There was no limit to what I'd do for him. I was in love with the reflection and the reflection I speak of is Charles Manson."


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As I said if it isn't Love it isn't God.

So I think Jesus have been accredited with some sayings so the "church" could have reason to subdue the masses with fear, I mean come on Jesus said so!!!
Further evidence that the biblical writings are utter crap and an unreliable source for inspiration or the true notion of love.

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Hell? Not Loving, and so untrue.

Final death? Not Loving, and so untrue.
Bible ~ source of the concept of Hell, not loving, so untrue.

God, superfluous, so untrue.

Love is love...no deity required.
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Old 06-30-2003, 06:06 AM   #32
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It looks as if Darth whatsis is defining his (?) terms to mean exactly what he chooses/prefers to have them mean "neither more nor less" (I think I'm quoting HumptyDumpty, in ALICE...). That is certainly Darth's privilege; and in this essentially-free discussion space, he can purvey any opinions he likes. And/but by his thus refusing to use other peoples's generally-accepted meanings of his *favorite* terms, he has cut himself off from any likelihood of rational discussion about them.
To begin w/, my own bias is that trying to discuss such (individuated!) FICTIONAL terms as "God" is bound to be feckless and unprofitable, ( not to mention weary stale & flat), because such terms, having no"real" objective meaning(s)/ referents are undiscussable.
What we're doing here seems to me to be a going-nowhere waste of time. Cordially....
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Old 06-30-2003, 06:35 AM   #33
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Hell? Not Loving, and so untrue.
Final death? Not Loving, and so untrue.
I so agree with you on that one, Darth Dane. That's why I can accept neither Christianity nor atheism. Both are damnable doctrines as far as the death question is concerned.

I believe in hell as a place where transgressors go for reflection on their sins, but not in the sadistic eternal torture chamber of Christianity. Hell is where sinners are led to repent, and after that comes God's mercy (which, according to Christianity, only lasts up to a person's earthly lifetime, and after that there is no more mercy) and they get out of there.
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Old 06-30-2003, 09:17 AM   #34
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Isaiah 6 is one of my favorite Bible chapters. I've done a Unicode testing and posted it here in three versions: one with cantillation marks, one with vowel-points alone, and one without marks at all. The first version should work only if you have the correct font installed (such as Arial Unicode MS, which comes with MS Office 2000).

All samples are from the Mechon Mamre website:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org
I'm using Netscape 4.6 on Windows '95 (I refuse to upgrade, and there is a certain offbeatness that comes with an obsolete browser and OS) and all I saw were a bunch of question marks.

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I'm using Netscape 4.6 on Windows '95 (I refuse to upgrade, and there is a certain offbeatness that comes with an obsolete browser and OS) and all I saw were a bunch of question marks.

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Netscape 4.6 ... that explains everything. Set the character encoding to UTF-8, it may work. The Hebrew and Greek texts I pasted are encoding as NCRs (Numeric Character References, such as א for Hebrew Letter Alef), and it's a well-known Netscape bug (fixed in 6.0) that Netscape can't display such text unless the encoding is set to UTF-8.

If it doesn't, then either don't worry your head about it (it's not important, it's just a showing-off), or install the free Mozilla 1.3 browser.
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It looks as if Darth whatsis is defining his (?) terms to mean exactly what he chooses/prefers to have them mean "neither more nor less" (I think I'm quoting HumptyDumpty, in ALICE...).


Plz give me the correct definition of what Love Is.

That is certainly Darth's privilege; and in this essentially-free discussion space, he can purvey any opinions he likes. And/but by his thus refusing to use other peoples's generally-accepted meanings of his *favorite* terms, he has cut himself off from any likelihood of rational discussion about them.

What is the general accepted meaning?


Is this a better version:


Absolute Love Loves everything and anything that exist equally and without boundaries.

Absolute Love Loves nectar and poison equally

Absolute Love Loves yin and yang equally

Absolute Love Loves Heaven and Hell equally




Further evidence that the biblical writings are utter crap and an unreliable source for inspiration or the true notion of love.

I am not entirely agreeing with you.

There are some good stories about Love in that book.






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