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Old 12-18-2002, 03:07 AM   #61
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Originally posted by Clarice O'C:

I have one that I hope for an answer to.
If Jesus was God's son, who did God have
sex with?

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Mary, of course. Although the Gospels told us that the Holy Ghost had "overshadowed" Mary. In effect,

The Christian God did not have sexual relations with that woman, Mary.</strong>
Actually I wasn't at all clear with my original
message. I was asking about the God and Jesus
who were supposed to have existed before the
supposed creation. Who was Jesus' mother then?

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Old 12-18-2002, 04:46 AM   #62
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Aherm Amos

Gen 1 -

27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."


Gen 2

5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground-- 7 then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.</strong>
Correct alli. In Gen.1 the essence of existence was created but without a corporeal body. It is just the blueprint of man in the image of God with the potential to become either male or female needed for procreation. The beauty of this is that we can be co-creators with God as Gods while procreating man in the image of God. In other words, we are in charge of our destiny and therefore also of God.

So then in Gen. 2 it was Lord God in the material second cause who formed man and next gave rise to the soul when he seperated the womb of God to become the handmaiden of God and eternal bride of the Lord God. It is called the Tree on Life in the garden which itself is Lord God.
 
Old 12-18-2002, 05:06 AM   #63
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Actually I wasn't at all clear with my original
message. I was asking about the God and Jesus
who were supposed to have existed before the
supposed creation. Who was Jesus' mother then?

G'day,
Clarice</strong>
You were quite clear with your question but Lord God was not called Jesus until about 2000 years ago when Catholicism became a religious branch that was grafted into the old mythology of Judiasm. It can be said that Jesus was Lord God in the beginning if you remove all the fruits of Judaism from Jesus to make him man in the image of God and thus without the actual tree of Life that was formed afterwards to gain dominion. Dominion does not mean oppression but makes reference to a higher form of rational existence.

The Genesis of Judaism does not deal with the physical creation of the earth and mankind upon earth but just with the origen of the each man within the myth.
 
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So Adam and Eve, the first people, have kids: Cain and Able. And suddenly, Cain and Able can have kids themselves. With whom, exactly?

Xians blurt something inane like "incest wasn't a sin back then". I mean is this God fickle or what?
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<strong>The problem here is that our very own ego must be annihilated and this includes those we love the most.</strong>
Why do you keep forcing this garbage down our throats, Amos? This ridiculous statement reminds me of when you said Christ's ego was crucified and not his body. Do you honestly think anyone takes you seriously? For one thing, the writers of the bible would have no clue as to what an "ego" is since the concept wasn't even invented until almost 1900 years later!! And that theory, conceived by Sigmund Freud, has been rejected!! Modern Psychology has changed it's perception of Freud's theories 30 years ago with the rise of cognitive therapy. It's now considered outdated nonsense, just like that goobledygook you keep shoveling.
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Speaking of Judas . . .

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Thanks for the info and correction Don.

Oh and BTW I'll soon be responding to your points in the other thread in BC&A I started a few days ago.

Thanks for being patient, I've just been busy.
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Correct alli. In Gen.1 the essence of existence was created but without a corporeal body. It is just the blueprint of man in the image of God with the potential to become either male or female needed for procreation. The beauty of this is that we can be co-creators with God as Gods while procreating man in the image of God. In other words, we are in charge of our destiny and therefore also of God.

So then in Gen. 2 it was Lord God in the material second cause who formed man and next gave rise to the soul when he seperated the womb of God to become the handmaiden of God and eternal bride of the Lord God. It is called the Tree on Life in the garden which itself is Lord God.</strong>

Womanity Amos Womanity
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Why do you keep forcing this garbage down our throats, Amos? This ridiculous statement reminds me of when you said Christ's ego was crucified and not his body. Do you honestly think anyone takes you seriously? For one thing, the writers of the bible would have no clue as to what an "ego" is since the concept wasn't even invented until almost 1900 years later!! And that theory, conceived by Sigmund Freud, has been rejected!! Modern Psychology has changed it's perception of Freud's theories 30 years ago with the rise of cognitive therapy. It's now considered outdated nonsense, just like that goobledygook you keep shoveling.</strong>
Holy shit Hawkinfan, are you ever shallow.

Do you really think that Frued invented our ego? It is really a shame that Freud's theory was ever accepted and it should be no less a shame that psychology, including cognitive therapy, is accepted as a modern science today.

The ego (persona) was created in Gen.3 when shame first became part of our humors. To see this compare the shame/no shame juxtaposition of Gen.2:25 and Gen.3:7.

Oh, and I never wrote that Christ's ego was crucified but the ego of Joseph was crufified here presented under the name of Jesus.
 
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There is no such thing as an ego, Anus. Freud thought there was. He was wrong.
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<strong>are you ever shallow.</strong>
I know you are but what am I?

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Do you really think that Frued invented our ego? It is really a shame that Freud's theory was ever accepted and it should be no less a shame that psychology, including cognitive therapy, is accepted as a modern science today.[/QB]
No one cares what you think. We are sick of your malarkey. This is your opinion. I'll believe modern science over your crap any day of the week. The only reason anyone answers you is to show what a moron you are. But your nonsense speaks for itself. I agree with whoever said we should just pat you on the head and move on whenever you present your bullshit.

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The ego (persona) was created in Gen.3 when shame first became part of our humors. To see this compare the shame/no shame juxtaposition of Gen.2:25 and Gen.3:7.

Oh, and I never wrote that Christ's ego was crucified but the ego of Joseph was crufified here presented under the name of Jesus.[/QB]
Whatever.
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