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Vorkosigan · 05-02-2002, 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by Morat:

I think Barry needed time for those questions to go away.

Maybe. He sure was blistered on that thread. I don't think I'll post there much longer, too many serious posts blown off. None of the major posters there knows a thing about what they are talking about.

Vorkosigan

faded_Glory · 05-02-2002, 03:27 AM

Those of you who post on that board have my respect and admiration. I considered posting as well, mainly to address their claims about radiometric dating, how it relies on assumptions and how all those outlier dates are routinely thrown away...

However, I find the creationist posters there particularly unpleasant and arrogant. I have reached a point where I am inclined to give up on trying to debate with such people. What good would it do? It quickly becomes a predictable re-hash of all the usual arguments. Any new information coming out of science is brushed away with appeals to bias and psychological pseudo-analysis. No evidence for gods or creation is ever offered. The false dichotomy between evolution and Christianity reigns supreme. Round and round we go...

It has worn me out, a bit. But I enjoy reading your posts, guys!

fG

Quetzal · 05-02-2002, 03:47 AM

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Any new information coming out of science is brushed away with appeals to bias and psychological pseudo-analysis.

f_G: Doesn't that go hand-in-hand with the cretinist "no new information" argument?

DonaldW112 · 05-02-2002, 03:54 AM

It seems to me that there are only a couple of hard core creationists there. I made a number of posts to try to nail them down on evolution. It seems to me that they have very little experience arguing this subject. In most cases they have gone quiet or tried to change the subject. I don't think they have ever thought about what evolution is or what they mean when they use the words microevolution, species, or macroevolution. When pushed for definitions they balk. I think I am about done over there.

Donald

faded_Glory · 05-02-2002, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by DonaldW112:
...I don't think they have ever thought about what evolution is or what they mean when they use the words microevolution, species, or macroevolution. When pushed for definitions they balk...

In this they are wholly representative of the majority of YEC's. By refusing to define their terminology they are always assured of an escape hatch. Many times have we tried to pin them down on this board with a definition of 'kind' - seldom do we see one, apart from some feeble attempts that quickly lead to: either 1) the Ark contained millions of animals, or 2) ape-to-man evolution is microevolution. After which the YEC never shows up again.

It is just a shame that they will claim victory when you guys sign off over there...

fG

Vorkosigan · 05-03-2002, 03:01 AM

Petreley's latest screed:

ROFL!!

You guys have no clue whatsoever.

By what standard of morality are you measuring this situation? Your own? Wowee -- a bunch of lucky chemicals thinks he made a value judgement!! Call the papers!!

How can you possibly think that your opinion of what I am, say, think or do has any value outside yourself? What if I DO think it is perfectly ok to commit any crime I want as long as the victim is a materialist? On what basis is my "moral viewpoint" on this matter any better or worse than yours?

The fact is that you HAVE NO BASIS. So you're offended? So what? You'll eventually go away and forever be forgotten. So you got your values from natural selection? Big deal! For all we know, the next "master race" will wipe out everyone who thinks like you. Once that race becomes dominant, "good" will mean killing and cheating your best friends in order to get ahead, and whatever you said will be labelled as idiocy even by evolutionists. Hey, it's natural selection in action!

The bottom line is this. By your own belief system, you lack any moral authority whatsoever. So your claim that what I think, say or do is "sick" is not only worthless, it's so self-contradictory that it's downright hilarious.

How could anyone be so smart in one area, and so dumb in another?

Vorkosigan

RufusAtticus · 05-03-2002, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by Vorkosigan:
How could anyone be so smart in one area, and so dumb in another?
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It's called autism.
-RvFvS

DonaldW112 · 05-03-2002, 08:39 AM

It has been fairly quiet over there in the last 24 hours. Perhaps we have discouraged them? Not very likely!

Donald

RufusAtticus · 05-03-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by DonaldW112:
It has been fairly quiet over there in the last 24 hours. Perhaps we have discouraged them? Not very likely!

Nick has realized that he can't defend creationism at all. So he has descided to attack the people. For about the last week his posts have been nothing but insults, and he has derailed at least one thread to complain that atheists have no morals.

He still hasn't explained why mosquito speciation is not an example of macroevolution, but ape speciation is.

That website is just another example of creationists who, although they know nothing about evolution, know that it is wrong. I guess being a linux expert doesn't give you a clue.

-RvFvS

hezekiah jones · 05-03-2002, 04:17 PM

You know you're really stupid when you don't even realize you're getting your ass kicked from here to Turton's place.

05-03-2002, 03:01 AM	#46
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Petreley's latest screed: ROFL!! You guys have no clue whatsoever. By what standard of morality are you measuring this situation? Your own? Wowee -- a bunch of lucky chemicals thinks he made a value judgement!! Call the papers!! How can you possibly think that your opinion of what I am, say, think or do has any value outside yourself? What if I DO think it is perfectly ok to commit any crime I want as long as the victim is a materialist? On what basis is my "moral viewpoint" on this matter any better or worse than yours? The fact is that you HAVE NO BASIS. So you're offended? So what? You'll eventually go away and forever be forgotten. So you got your values from natural selection? Big deal! For all we know, the next "master race" will wipe out everyone who thinks like you. Once that race becomes dominant, "good" will mean killing and cheating your best friends in order to get ahead, and whatever you said will be labelled as idiocy even by evolutionists. Hey, it's natural selection in action! The bottom line is this. By your own belief system, you lack any moral authority whatsoever. So your claim that what I think, say or do is "sick" is not only worthless, it's so self-contradictory that it's downright hilarious. How could anyone be so smart in one area, and so dumb in another? Vorkosigan

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05-02-2002, 03:27 AM	#42
faded_Glory Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cairo, Egypt Posts: 1,128	Those of you who post on that board have my respect and admiration. I considered posting as well, mainly to address their claims about radiometric dating, how it relies on assumptions and how all those outlier dates are routinely thrown away... However, I find the creationist posters there particularly unpleasant and arrogant. I have reached a point where I am inclined to give up on trying to debate with such people. What good would it do? It quickly becomes a predictable re-hash of all the usual arguments. Any new information coming out of science is brushed away with appeals to bias and psychological pseudo-analysis. No evidence for gods or creation is ever offered. The false dichotomy between evolution and Christianity reigns supreme. Round and round we go... It has worn me out, a bit. But I enjoy reading your posts, guys! fG

05-02-2002, 03:54 AM	#44
DonaldW112 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Schenectady, NY Posts: 45	It seems to me that there are only a couple of hard core creationists there. I made a number of posts to try to nail them down on evolution. It seems to me that they have very little experience arguing this subject. In most cases they have gone quiet or tried to change the subject. I don't think they have ever thought about what evolution is or what they mean when they use the words microevolution, species, or macroevolution. When pushed for definitions they balk. I think I am about done over there. Donald

05-03-2002, 08:39 AM	#48
DonaldW112 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Schenectady, NY Posts: 45	It has been fairly quiet over there in the last 24 hours. Perhaps we have discouraged them? Not very likely! Donald

05-03-2002, 04:17 PM	#50
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	You know you're really stupid when you don't even realize you're getting your ass kicked from here to Turton's place.

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