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12-07-2002, 03:43 PM

Look at what our unelected president said the other day while lighting the national xmas tree:

Quote:

"With the lighting of the National Christmas Tree, we observe one of the great traditions of our nation's capital. And throughout the Christmas season, we recall that God's love is found in humble places, and God's peace is offered to all of us.

...

The simple story we remember during this season speaks to every generation. It is the story of a quiet birth in a little town, on the margins of an indifferent empire. Yet that single event set the direction of history and still changes millions of lives. For over two millennia, Christmas has carried the message that God is with us -- and, because He's with us, we can always live in hope."

What a bunch of nonsense. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

F--k George Bush and his mindless, ignorant supporters.

[ December 07, 2002: Message edited by: atheist_in_foxhole ]</p>

Grumpy · 12-07-2002, 04:27 PM

People really celebrated Christmas 2000 years ago -- before Jesus ever did anything?

I know, he's rounding. But <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm" target="_blank">this site</a> explains that the first feast commemorating Jesus' birth was around A.D. 200 -- in May!

It also adds that Origen believed that only sinners celebrated birthdays.

Jamie_L · 12-10-2002, 08:53 AM

It doesn't bug me so much that Bush believes this stuff. It bugs me that he thinks it's appropriate, and a good idea, to issue official proclamations like this that are so laden with veneration for one religion. It's like he doesn't even realize or care that he leads a religiously pluralistic nation.

Jamie

DarkBronzePlant · 12-10-2002, 09:27 AM

I just think it's funny that he's promoting an ancient Pagan holiday and doesn't even realize it!

openeyes · 12-10-2002, 11:00 AM

Jamie-You pretty much summed up my feelings about these sort of things. It's not just Mr. Prez, but others who are to represent us (Senators, public school principals) who just don't get the inappropiateness of favoring Christianity.

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12-07-2002, 04:27 PM	#2
Grumpy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,535	People really celebrated Christmas 2000 years ago -- before Jesus ever did anything? I know, he's rounding. But <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm" target="_blank">this site</a> explains that the first feast commemorating Jesus' birth was around A.D. 200 -- in May! It also adds that Origen believed that only sinners celebrated birthdays.

12-10-2002, 08:53 AM	#3
Jamie_L Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,565	It doesn't bug me so much that Bush believes this stuff. It bugs me that he thinks it's appropriate, and a good idea, to issue official proclamations like this that are so laden with veneration for one religion. It's like he doesn't even realize or care that he leads a religiously pluralistic nation. Jamie

12-10-2002, 09:27 AM	#4
DarkBronzePlant Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 3,568	I just think it's funny that he's promoting an ancient Pagan holiday and doesn't even realize it!

12-10-2002, 11:00 AM	#5
openeyes Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,215	Jamie-You pretty much summed up my feelings about these sort of things. It's not just Mr. Prez, but others who are to represent us (Senators, public school principals) who just don't get the inappropiateness of favoring Christianity.

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