tdekeyser

I got some excerpts from a donahue show....

I believe the answer bush gives here is not scripted or rehersed. I really am scared for our near future. I hope America gets out of these times quickly.....enough said

<a href="http://home.attbi.com/~tdekeyser2/3.asf" target="_blank">http://home.attbi.com/~tdekeyser2/3.asf</a>

More video of that show:
<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001626" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001626</a>

mshah2k

Well I, being an atheist, obiously disagree with that statement that Bush made.

But about Christ chaning your heart..I dont really see what the big deal is. That is the view that most christians accept. It's just the way they feel and truly believe (wether you agree or disagree with that is a different matter). BUt I dont really see anything wrong with proclaiming one's faith, just as there is nothing wrong with proclaiming one's lack of faith.

Splat

It might have changed his heart (lower blood pressure?) but it sure didn't change his mind.

tdekeyser

What is the BIG deal?

We have a man who believes (100%) that he and everyone else on this planet is a sinner. He also believes that only those who accept Christ as a savior will be the only ones saved from Hell. This means that he sees all 'other' faiths and those of no faith LESS then, LESS holy, LESS good, LESS closer to god. If god does not respect us, then why would Bush? He doesn't! I read an article about a statement he made in 1993. He said that ALL non-Xians will be punished one way or another by god.

NOW WE HAVE THIS SAME MAN IN CONTROL OF THE MOST POWERFUL ARSENAL OF WEAPONS AND HE IS STARTING A WAR!

YES, I'm SCARED!!!!

He is a freaking WEIRDO!!!!!

He used his EXECUTIVE powers to sign into law an initiative that was not founded on LOGIC, but was founded on his BELIEFS!!!!

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT ANYTHING HE THINKS?????

mshah2k

We have a man who believes (100%) that he and everyone else on this planet is a sinner. He also believes that only those who accept Christ as a savior will be the only ones saved from Hell.

Ok, good so far, nothing wrong with him believing this.


This means that he sees all 'other' faiths and those of no faith LESS then, LESS holy, LESS good, LESS closer to god.

Yes, thats part of Christian belief, you can only be saved through Christ. I wouldnt say Less good, because according to their beliefs, everyone sins. Just those who believe in Christ will have their sins forgiven (he died for your sins, etc.)

If god does not respect us, then why would Bush? He doesn't! I read an article about a statement he made in 1993. He said that ALL non-Xians will be punished one way or another by god.

Um, ok...BY GOD, not him. Also, according to christian beliefs, only God can give judgement and God loves everyone, even the sinners and nonbelievers. According to them however, only those who BELIEVE in that love and etc. will be saved. About him saying that all non-Xtians will be punished..well there is nothing new or revolutionary about that. He sincerely believes that all non-xtians will goto hell...that doesnt mean that HE can punish us, only god can.

There is no reason to be SCARED, he's not gonna nuke the non-believing part of the world , although he may try to convert them . Besides, the war on Iraq, stems from a conservative philosophy, not a religious one. It's very important to separate the two, although they can be the same in some cases.

Rusting Car Bumper

Yeah so. He may not be President in a few years.

DC

Toto

George W. Bush ran for president because he thought God was calling him. He seems to think that he has some sort of divine mission. This is something to be concerned about.

Unfortunately, so many world leaders have had bizarre ideas about their personal mission we have grown a bit jaded. Would any truly rational person want to be president?

The upcoming war on Iraq does not make sense as a conservative move. It's not going to convert any non-believers. It looks more like a religious fanatic's attempt to make a grand gesture.

atheist_in_foxhole

The war makes a lot of sense if he and his fundy buddies are trying to spark a nuclear war and hasten the "second coming" of Jebus.

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ybnormal

I find more reason to be "SCARED!" that everyone here seems so wholeheartedly ready to believe that this one issue was not politically motivated, from what is probably the most managed presidential politician in history. From posts throughout this board, it certainly seems that the overwhelming majority here sees almost everything this Administration does, as being politically motivated appeasement to the xian base, except where this guy's so-called "faith" itself is concerned. I don't get it. Maybe another good read of that Esquire article is in order. I suggest that there is far more "reason to believe" that this entire concept was and is contrived, than there is any evidence that it may be real. Every draft-dodging, coke-snorting alcoholic has to say the exact same things in order to be a born-again xian, which definitely must come before a Republican Presidency... jeeeeeze!

tdekeyser

I know what you are saying. That is true.....

BUT, let's just say that I have some inside information that Bush is a FUNDY. He REALLY believes in God and that his job as president was a 'calling'. He already called the war against terror a "crusade". He has done/said some VERY xian things and I watch him closely.

Did you see the smirk when he said that if people don't know Christ, then he can't explain it to the idiots?

Just as the links I posted shows (if you watch them). The fundy Xians cannot respect anyone else other than Xians. Other Xians can, but I am talking about FUNDY xians. Bush is one of them, he really believes that this could be "it", and he is part of the puzzle.

He might get us all killed.

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