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babelfish · 06-07-2002, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by Bree:


Whenever my family asks me to pray I usually say the same thing. For one thing, it's easy to rattle off (I learned this from my Catholic grandmother as a child) and doesn't take much thought - it's kind of like reciting the alphabet. Secondly, my parents are fundie Baptist (think Fred Phelps) and they hate Catholics

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I was raised a Catholic. Is this strictly a Catholic way of saying grace? I never thought of that. My mother-in-law is a fundie Baptist also. Am I unknowingly offending her when I recite this? (You're right, it is like the alphabet.)

Gosh, maybe I oughta dig up my old rosary beads to bring to the table and plan on making the sign of the cross before meals as well . . .

The Other Michael · 06-07-2002, 06:13 AM

Babelfish,

Maybe you could bring a lighter with you and grab something off of a plate and burn it to make a pleasant savor unto the Lord.

cheers,
Michael

tdekeyser · 06-07-2002, 07:05 AM

HA HA HA,

I went to a fundy carwash one time. I made sure they shined the Darwin symbol on the back of the truck. I loved it!

Got nasty looks as I drove off with a smile !

seebs · 06-07-2002, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by himynameisPwn:
seebs, you send your prayers and see how much it helps out anyone without valuable medical supplies. Surprise! It doesnt.

Did I say it would?

There are lots of people I disagree with (and, to a certain extent, most missions are among them, unless they plan to be practical and bring medical supplies). I just recommend not being rude to them; after all, if your complaint about them is that they're rude and pushy, being rude yourself won't help any, and if you don't think they're rude, why start?

seebs · 06-07-2002, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by Anunnaki:

I`m not sure what this means.

Me neither, but I think it was nice.

I guess there's a weird "contradiction" in that we're simultaneously told to be kind and tolerant of people, and told to be intolerant of "sin". Most people figure the best thing to do is just be intolerant of everything and hope that some sin gets in front of them; this is the "shotgun morality" approach.

braces_for_impact · 06-07-2002, 07:33 AM

Maybe the comment of itself was a bit out of line. I myself would have simply asked the ritual not take place in my own home, etc...

However, I don't pray or pretend to do so, regardless of location or whom is present. To myself, it's hypocritical. If I'm asked I explain as much, and usually add that if god exists, he would certainly know I was merely acting the part in any case. This while sometimes harder at first, doesn't leave room for shockers at the dinner table in my home. Though I laughed out loud at the bluntness of the statement, maybe it was a bit harsh. On the other hand, it seems the rest of the family seems to not mind so much your beliefs or lack thereof, as long as you pay lip service, which isn't fair to you.

Ah, well, they are IN LAWS. You're supposed to have all kinds of troubles with in-laws anyway. Fortunately, I don't have in-law troubles anymore, and as such, take what I say with a grain of salt!

seebs · 06-07-2002, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by RufusAtticus:

That was uncalled for. Seebs conducts himself rather well on this board.

I thought it was pretty funny, actually.

seebs · 06-07-2002, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Anunnaki:

Who`s the one being rude?
I think you need to take another look at the thread.

I would say the person who went out of his way to insult and ridicule the beliefs of others was being rude. What ever happened to live and let live? As a free hint, one of the best ways to make people more likely to accept your belief system is to let them have theirs, and not give them shit about it. The win condition is mutual tolerance; anything else is a loss.

Dark Jedi · 06-07-2002, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by seebs:


I would say the person who went out of his way to insult and ridicule the beliefs of others was being rude. What ever happened to live and let live? As a free hint, one of the best ways to make people more likely to accept your belief system is to let them have theirs, and not give them shit about it. The win condition is mutual tolerance; anything else is a loss.

I think that's essentially the point he made. He was willing to go along in their house, why would they not do the same in his?

Or is it a double standard? Live and let live for atheists, but respect the beliefs of others for the christians?

Anunnaki · 06-07-2002, 08:57 AM

Seebs sez:

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I would say the person who went out of his way to insult and ridicule the beliefs of others was being rude. What ever happened to live and let live?

Surely you are talking about the missionaries. What could be more rude that trampling across the entire word to strip people of their culture and replace it with your own?
These people the missionaries are trying to "save" have enough problems due to the enviroment in which they live.
They have big enough hurdles to jump without the extra dark age mentality the Gospels graciously provide.
You think think the bible is so terrific and helpful,YOU read it,but please keep it to yourself.

Seebs also sez:

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As a free hint, one of the best ways to make people more likely to accept your belief system is to let them have theirs, and not give them shit about it. The win condition is mutual tolerance; anything else is a loss.

Ah yes. The code of the missionary!

I think scombrid was dead on with what he said to the "car wash for Jesus" people. It`s only rude to those not smart enough or too brainwashed to understand the truth in what he said.

If theres one thing I dislike more than *ahem* ambiguous Christians, it`s missionaries.

Btw,thanks for the "free" hint. How did you know I was in search of an intenet guru to give me direction? Will the lessons be expensive? I`m on a somewhat of a fixed income.

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06-07-2002, 06:13 AM	#62
The Other Michael Honorary Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the fog of San Francisco Posts: 12,631	Babelfish, Maybe you could bring a lighter with you and grab something off of a plate and burn it to make a pleasant savor unto the Lord. cheers, Michael

06-07-2002, 07:05 AM	#63
tdekeyser Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 341	HA HA HA, I went to a fundy carwash one time. I made sure they shined the Darwin symbol on the back of the truck. I loved it! Got nasty looks as I drove off with a smile !

06-07-2002, 07:33 AM	#66
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Maybe the comment of itself was a bit out of line. I myself would have simply asked the ritual not take place in my own home, etc... However, I don't pray or pretend to do so, regardless of location or whom is present. To myself, it's hypocritical. If I'm asked I explain as much, and usually add that if god exists, he would certainly know I was merely acting the part in any case. This while sometimes harder at first, doesn't leave room for shockers at the dinner table in my home. Though I laughed out loud at the bluntness of the statement, maybe it was a bit harsh. On the other hand, it seems the rest of the family seems to not mind so much your beliefs or lack thereof, as long as you pay lip service, which isn't fair to you. Ah, well, they are IN LAWS. You're supposed to have all kinds of troubles with in-laws anyway. Fortunately, I don't have in-law troubles anymore, and as such, take what I say with a grain of salt!

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