Wasim

Wasim is in the building

Well, well, well, what do we have here? Interesting topics guys. But, I think that before we begin to step into such an intriguing web of endless rhetoric and manipulative repotoire of both a profound and deceptive nature, then perhaps we should, no MUST, discuss the most fundamental aspect of existence. US.

It is my belief that we are all essentially a collectionf of immaterial thoughts projected on to the silverscreen of the Soul. That, ultimately I am a perception

Hey, it's OK, nothing to worry about. But if, as is common knowledge, we are but humble beings composed of subatomic particles that are void of any aspect of consciousness, then from where, i ask of you, do thoughts come from? Where do I feel Love, Hate, Envy and Anger?

In essence

If life were not a perception, i.e. material, then how do these feelings, emotions and judgements arrive?

Sleep well tonight

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Ierrellus

Wasim:

What if the subatomic particles are engaged in a physical process which is the basis of all possible perception?

Ierrellus

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owleye

Wasim...

You offerred...
It is my belief that we are all essentially a collectionf of immaterial thoughts projected on to the silverscreen of the Soul. That, ultimately I am a perception

"If life were not a perception, i.e. material, then how do these feelings, emotions and judgements arrive?"

I take it you are not arguing against the reality of material things, such as bodies, earth, air, fire and water. What you are suggesting only is that thoughts, feelings and judgements are immaterial. If not, I would hope you clarify this is a subsequent post. The question is whether or not you are a dualist like Descartes or a immaterialist like Berkeley.

If it turns out you are an idealist, anti-materialist of the Berkelean kind, I might conclude there would be nothing that corresponds to the thoughts, feelings, judgements, or even experiences we have. Thus, to say that we see a house in the distance is to say nothing about there being a house at all, but merely that we see one. Indeed, we should strike from language any statement such as "There is a house in the distance." We should replace this with "I see a house in the distance." Similarly, with respect to others we perceive (but of course not to those we don't perceive) we can only say that we believe that those we perceive will perceive what we perceive, but this is a mere belief, since we cannot perceive what others perceive, principally because there are no others apart from my perception of them.

Fell