rainbow walking

O'tay, A man named jesus said, "John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life.


I say, "So am I"


Jesus also said, "No one comes to the Father except through Me."

I say, "ditto"

Now, which of us are telling the truth? Please provide some evidence to support your choice outside the wishful, desirous conclusions of your own mind. And tell us why.

BLoggins02

[edit: Nevermind, I'll play nice.]

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Ojuice5001

Wyrdsmyth said:
That's true. Upon reflection, I see that it is silly to believe in Christianity or atheism on the basis that God might want you to. But if anyone didn't see it that way, rainbow's idea would be a great way to make peace between the different beliefs and the gods who back them.

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rainbow walking

Believe...think...what's the difference?

sighhswolf

Interesting, that verse is one of the reasons that orthodox Jews have never accepted Jesus as Messiah and discounted his divinity.
It is strictly forbidden in Hebrew law to assign an intermediary between god and mankind.
To do so is considered Idolatry.
Christianity is seen by Rabbinic authorities as Idolatry for that very reason.
So as a christian you must without exception believe in Jesus to gain access to god in any way
and/or attain salvation.
But, the founders of the monotheistic worship of Jehovah say something entirely different, and in fact they say you insult the creator and commit an unpardonable sin by worshiping Jesus, as his worship violates the very first commandment.
Wolf

Talon

We know B, you want SLUTS like me!

TALON

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Wyrdsmyth

There is no difference. That was the point.

We don't choose what we think is true. There's no choice involved.

I don't choose to believe terrorists flew planes into the WTC, or that Hitler murdered millions of Jews, or that my own country nearly wiped out the Native Americans and for generations had institionalized slavery. In fact, I would prefer for all of those things to not be true. If I had a choice, I'd choose not believing that these things really happened, because I find them almost too horrible to contemplate. Yet I believe they really happened.

Of course, I could try to delude myself. I could deny these things happened, and get together with some other like-minded folks. We could write our own history book, and claim that other historians distorted facts and warped the evidence. We could insist that the facts support our book's version of history -- and any facts that do not support it must be in error.

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Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

Wyrdsmyth,
Uh...no.

God is in no way impressed by the intellect of man or any attempt of 'intellectual integrity'.

God judges man by his heart.

The best thing you can do is to simply seek God.

Thoughts and comments welcomed,

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

Synaesthesia

SOMMS wrote,
Intellectual integrity to me is the desire to avoid allowing one's prejudice become an obstacle to truth. It is the recognition of the pathetic yet comical shortcoming of my mental models of the world when compared with the world itself. Impressing God may or may not be a consequence of my search, but that's not the point anyway.

I very much agree with SOMMS that intellectual integrity does not always sit comfortably with some forms of Christianity for reasons which he himself illustrates quite neatly:

I see a fundamental incompatibility between intellectual integrity and dogmatism. It is not the conclusion of God's existence that I find disturbing, but the insistence that the conclusion must be prior to the inquiry.

Synaesthesia

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