free12thinker

Ditto. I'm a man who's never, and will never fantasize about rape.

christ-on-a-stick

It just occurred to me that Cutter may have actually meant a "domination" fantasy as opposed to actual rape.

Cutter

First off, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about SmashingIdols. Where exactly did I mention anything about human sexuality?

OK, I'll agree with the above poster who thinks that I should have probably said control rather than rape. But for those who deny it, really? So when you were in high school, a walking bag of hormones, you never once thought to yourself (however fleetingly) how much you'd like to bang the hottest girl/guy (whatever floats your boat) irregardless of whether they wanted to or not?

I guess (as someone else pointed out) it all comes down to how you define a rape fantasy. *shrug*

The AntiChris

I'm not lying when I say that I have always been completely mystified by the idea of rape or "rape fantasy" and can only rationalise it by assuming that involves some form of insanity.

Having said that, I have known women who have admitted to having had rape fantasies. I've no idea if they were being truthful.

Chris

tronvillain

SmashingIdols:
I suspect that it is about both sex and power.

As for "rape fantasies" I have them myself and read porn on the subject (but then I read porn on virtually every subject), but almost nothing disgusts me more than actual rape. I can easily understand women having them while not actually wanting to be raped - the fantasy of sex and force and control (whether or not it involves strangers and a lack of constent) can be stimulating, while the reality may be extremely frightening and disgusting.

tronvillain

TheAntichris:
Perhaps "fantasy" is a poor label, since it involves imagining something you wouldn't actually want to happen, while a fantasy is typically something you would actually want to happen.

tronvillain

I suppose I could rephrase the initial question:

Am I immoral for being sexually stimulated by thoughts of rape and torture, despite considering such acts reprehensible in practice?

livius drusus

I think fantasy is an accurate label. They're just different kinds of fantasies. Some are quasi-realistic ones you could see happening tomorrow and others completely symbolic allegories which would be physically impossible. It's all fantasy, though.

Queen of Swords

In your fantasy, he's always handsome and sexually skilled and you're never afraid of internal bleeding or HIV or unwanted pregnancy. Or, for that matter, of leaving your house the next morning.

Yes, there's a vast difference between a domination fantasy and actual rape. I enjoy the former. I'm nearly always tough and take-charge in other parts of my life, so when it comes to sex, it's fun to let someone else make the rules (and enforce them ). I recognize the line between fantasy and reality, and I have no intentions of crossing that line any time soon. Besides, while it can be playful and exciting to be dominated in the confines of the bedroom, whenever I think about being dominated any place else, I find it curiously repelling.

Christopher Lord

tronvillain, excellent rephrase.

First, this is a touchy subject and I will state up front that it is indeed a very vile thing which the vast majority of people will never even consider doing (perhaps for the reasons I outline below).

Incedentally, a friend of mine was recently raped, by jaw-droppingly stupid people, and it angers me to nearly wanting to break out a large blunt weapon and commense 'smash heads in' mode. This would go against my morality, and so thus I let them go through the legal system, and keep my head-bashing fantasies to myself.

With that said, I'll freely admit I've wondered about rape, and this is why I will never do it. Its male nature to sleep with as many people as possible, and many animals (who do not have societies) perform the action we call rape. When one is a member of a society (especially one where individuals have guarenteed rights), it is reprehsible to step on anothers rights simply for pleasure/control/whatever. So thus we are taught it is evil and wrong and we shouldn't even admit we think about it.

But I am of the opinion that in order to fight your enemies, you must know them. If you know your enemy, you can preempt prior to them taking action.

I think having the ability to imagine such vile things is what gives us the ability to not do them. For example, how do you know how evil rape is if you've never thought about it?. Someone who doesnt think about it's evils has very little to base their morality on.

It is for this reason that I would suspect the person who has never even thought of rape (or any other major crime) and its effects as a suspect before someone who is fully aware of its evils.

This explains why only very stupid (uneducated, etc) people perform crimes. More intelligent people can picture its vileness and consequences, and temper any possible benefit of the action with this knowledge. Not only this, they can see the bigger picture of society as a whole, and see the clear advantages of not doing these things.

As an analogy, those who can picture war the clearest in their mind are the least likely to sign up. Those who can't picture what war is like sign up because all they see is the 'glory'.

Hopefully this is well worded. Its not something I would want to be misunderstood on...

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