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Radorth · 03-09-2003, 10:53 AM

You can say all you want that Christianity and logic are incompatible, but some Christians, and even skeptics, had logic coming out of their ears and found no great incompatibility.

Jefferson declared nascent Christianity entirely friendly "to liberty, science and the freest expansion of the human mind."

Then there's Bacon, Newton, Locke, Schweitzer, H.G. Wells, (an atheist) Muggeridge and Peck to name just a few great thinkers who found virtually no incompatibility between science, logic and Christian doctrine. They were free-thinkers indeed.

I'm sure they considered your "Yeah pi=3" strawman for about one second. Or do you say it didn't cross their minds?

Rad

Mad Kally · 03-09-2003, 11:02 AM

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Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear.

-- Thomas Jefferson

"I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature."

- President Thomas Jefferson -

Daggah · 03-09-2003, 11:20 AM

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"Logic" addresses very few if any issues of the human heart.

Sure it can. Unless you're seriously suggesting that faith healing has ever cured someone of heart disease?

The human heart has only one issue: its ability to pump blood.

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These assertions about great divisions among Christians are just that- assertions. Even Catholics and Protestants are now resolved on the doctrine which most divided them: In 1997 they issued a "Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification by Faith"

If all the Christian sects agreed with one another, there wouldn't be so many denominations, now, would there? Again, you can't even get Christians to agree on something as important as whether the Bible should be taken literally or not.

The pi = 3 thing is in the Bible. Go read it. Doesn't even require a Zen course.

Also, I can't help but notice that Radorth failed to respond to the majority of my post.

Radorth · 03-09-2003, 11:23 AM

Would you like to have a quote war Kally? Or shall we just agree Jefferson was either

1. Confused

or

2. Made distinctions between Christianity "with nothing added" and the Christianity which he considered devoid of Jesus' influence.

And do quote all the others. I merely picked Jefferson because he is a favorite son here who made thoughtful distinctions and would have called Jesus-mythers grade A nutballs

Rad

Daggah · 03-09-2003, 11:27 AM

Anyway, getting back to the original topic before Radorth derails it any further...

Eric, it is indeed possible to have a fulfilling atheistic worldview. Have you looked into secular humanism?

Also, a suggestion to the mods: this thread would fit in well in secular lifestyle & support, I think. Plus, certain trolls would not be able to post there...

Radorth · 03-09-2003, 11:28 AM

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The pi = 3 thing is in the Bible.

I've read it and so did all those guys, by age 16 I presume, who in 1 second of logical thought, decided it was an approximation, and found no reason to chop down the nearby forest of wisdom and revelation.

Rad

Radorth · 03-09-2003, 11:32 AM

Well Daggah held off the personal crap for five minutes anyway.

Rad

Radorth · 03-09-2003, 11:34 AM

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Have you looked into secular humanism?

Did you read his initial post?

Rad

Daggah · 03-09-2003, 11:40 AM

I meant in depth, of course. The qualities he's listed about secular humanism don't require in-depth knowledge of what secular humanism is all about.

Not that we want to be pedantic or legalistic here.

Bumble Bee Tuna · 03-09-2003, 11:40 AM

Uh...Rad? The "Persuasive Arguments" he speaks of are...about whether God exists or not! Something that all atheists aqree on.

Not like the "they don't agree on anything" bit is a good point anyway, but even if it were it wouldn't apply in the slightest here.

-B

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03-09-2003, 10:53 AM	#81
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	You can say all you want that Christianity and logic are incompatible, but some Christians, and even skeptics, had logic coming out of their ears and found no great incompatibility. Jefferson declared nascent Christianity entirely friendly "to liberty, science and the freest expansion of the human mind." Then there's Bacon, Newton, Locke, Schweitzer, H.G. Wells, (an atheist) Muggeridge and Peck to name just a few great thinkers who found virtually no incompatibility between science, logic and Christian doctrine. They were free-thinkers indeed. I'm sure they considered your "Yeah pi=3" strawman for about one second. Or do you say it didn't cross their minds? Rad

03-09-2003, 11:23 AM	#84
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Would you like to have a quote war Kally? Or shall we just agree Jefferson was either 1. Confused or 2. Made distinctions between Christianity "with nothing added" and the Christianity which he considered devoid of Jesus' influence. And do quote all the others. I merely picked Jefferson because he is a favorite son here who made thoughtful distinctions and would have called Jesus-mythers grade A nutballs Rad

03-09-2003, 11:27 AM	#85
Daggah Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Deployed to Kosovo Posts: 4,314	Anyway, getting back to the original topic before Radorth derails it any further... Eric, it is indeed possible to have a fulfilling atheistic worldview. Have you looked into secular humanism? Also, a suggestion to the mods: this thread would fit in well in secular lifestyle & support, I think. Plus, certain trolls would not be able to post there...

03-09-2003, 11:32 AM	#87
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Well Daggah held off the personal crap for five minutes anyway. Rad

03-09-2003, 11:40 AM	#89
Daggah Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Deployed to Kosovo Posts: 4,314	I meant in depth, of course. The qualities he's listed about secular humanism don't require in-depth knowledge of what secular humanism is all about. Not that we want to be pedantic or legalistic here.

03-09-2003, 11:40 AM	#90
Bumble Bee Tuna Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 7,333	Uh...Rad? The "Persuasive Arguments" he speaks of are...about whether God exists or not! Something that all atheists aqree on. Not like the "they don't agree on anything" bit is a good point anyway, but even if it were it wouldn't apply in the slightest here. -B

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