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Rousseau_CHN · 01-24-2003, 04:26 AM

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My last name is Bowers. I think Pastor Deacon Fred is my daddy.

I'm sorry...

Marduk · 01-24-2003, 04:52 AM

I believe there was much dispute about putting Revelations in the Bible. The Eastern Orthodox Church wisely left it out of theirs.

Shadownought · 01-24-2003, 05:17 AM

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Satan in the bible is actually god's angel, his function is to tempt and be an adversary. (In fact, Satan is greek for adversary).

Sort of like how airlines hire people to try and break their security?

Rousseau_CHN · 01-24-2003, 07:01 AM

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Isn't it disturbing to think that your guardian angel might get pissed off some day and turn on you?

My guardian angel is an atheist.

abe smith · 01-24-2003, 07:24 AM

Standard R.C. dogma (I'm sure Thos Aquinas deals w/ this, altho I can't cite his chap&verse.) ---- you can go Take Instru-ctions to Convert to Catholicism & your instructor will tell you. >>>> teaches that because they are pure spirits, the Angels had one initial chance to choose: "for" God, or "against" Him; and because of their (purely-spiritual) nature, having once chosen, they could never change their minds. (If this "fact" offends you, tell God about it.)

If anyone wants to learn more about this, consult Aquinas (his Summa Theologiae); or look up "ANGELS" in the most recent *Catholic Encyclopedia*. And you could go to the Encyclopedia of Judaism, not sure of exact title also at heading "ANGELS'; so, it couldn't hoit....

viscousmemories · 01-24-2003, 08:33 AM

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I wonder if angels are still rebelling and going to join Lucifer these days. If angels had "free will" prior to Lucifier's being cast out, surely they still do. Isn't it disturbing to think that your guardian angel might get pissed off some day and turn on you?
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Gawd, I love that...I'm thinking of using it to pester my mother-in-law. Who knows she might just decide to move out.

Novowels · 01-24-2003, 04:24 PM

Lucifer is, I believe, mainly based on the Greco-Roman god of the same name. He was known as the "Light Bringer" and the "Morning Star" and was symbolized by the planet Venus, which looked like a large star. (in fact, most Jewish religious figures were based on celestial bodies) He brought knowledge and shed light, and was something of a patron of early science.

No wonder the godbots villainized him.

There's varying doctrines about why Luci rebelled. One is pride; he believed that he could run heaven better and tried to take over. Why an angel, an obvious construct of God thought he could kill/displace God is unknown. Maybe God isn't as powerful as we thought?

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01-24-2003, 04:52 AM	#22
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	I believe there was much dispute about putting Revelations in the Bible. The Eastern Orthodox Church wisely left it out of theirs.

01-24-2003, 07:24 AM	#25
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	Standard R.C. dogma (I'm sure Thos Aquinas deals w/ this, altho I can't cite his chap&verse.) ---- you can go Take Instru-ctions to Convert to Catholicism & your instructor will tell you. >>>> teaches that because they are pure spirits, the Angels had one initial chance to choose: "for" God, or "against" Him; and because of their (purely-spiritual) nature, having once chosen, they could never change their minds. (If this "fact" offends you, tell God about it.) If anyone wants to learn more about this, consult Aquinas (his Summa Theologiae); or look up "ANGELS" in the most recent Catholic Encyclopedia. And you could go to the Encyclopedia of Judaism, not sure of exact title also at heading "ANGELS'; so, it couldn't hoit....

01-24-2003, 04:24 PM	#27
Novowels Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,658	Lucifer is, I believe, mainly based on the Greco-Roman god of the same name. He was known as the "Light Bringer" and the "Morning Star" and was symbolized by the planet Venus, which looked like a large star. (in fact, most Jewish religious figures were based on celestial bodies) He brought knowledge and shed light, and was something of a patron of early science. No wonder the godbots villainized him. There's varying doctrines about why Luci rebelled. One is pride; he believed that he could run heaven better and tried to take over. Why an angel, an obvious construct of God thought he could kill/displace God is unknown. Maybe God isn't as powerful as we thought?

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