bluefugue

Miller should be more than able to hold his own.

Now if only he'd stop believing in Jesus...

hezekiah jones

Kind of comical, given Wells' notorious flailing away at Haeckel's embryos.

Nic Tamzek

I think she was the illustrator for Wells' book.

'Course, the figures were terrible...

Nick

UnaffiliatedOld

I am disgusted to be from Ohio when I here about crap like this. I swear if they adopt this crap I'll have to move.

Kevin Dorner

You won't have to... it won't last. The U.S. Supreme Court already ruled that ID is a sneaky attempt to sneak religion into the public school curriculum. YEC, OEC and ID are all out. No equal time either.

State politicians are supposed to know this... heck, I do and I am a) not a politician and b) a Canadian fer Pete's sake! So why do they try to sneak these things through like no one's going to notice? Either they don't know the law or they are deliberately going against the ruling of the highest court in the U.S.

theyeti

I think you may be mistaken about that, Kevin. There was a lower court ruling to that effect, but not a Supreme Court ruling that I've heard of. It's hard to know if that lower court ruling will apply in this case (even if it's the same district, which I don't think it is) because the IDers will just claim that it wasn't "real" ID that was being ruled on. That's one of the more irritating things about the ID movement -- they simply redefine ID whenever it suits them so as to be slippery in debates: one day it's anti-evolution, the next day it's not; one day it's super-naturalism, the next day it's not, etc. This makes for a good legal tactic, but downright pathetic science. Can you guess which one they're really interested in?

theyeti

Kevin Dorner

theyeti: You are probably correct that the decision that ID was a thinly veiled attempt to introduce religion into the public school system was a state-level court (this close to the wording that the court used.)

I may have confused it with <a href="http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/683420.asp" target="_blank">this decision</a> of the Supreme Court refusing to hear a creationist teacher's claims that teaching evolution was teaching a "contrary religion." Must be cuz I'm Canajun, eh?

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jj

I wonder if these religious people realize the extent to which they are putting the children of Ohio at risk.

I have the same position that I had regarding the Kansas debacle. Any high school senior who can not explain the scientific method, and how both evolution and continental drift are notable successes of the scientific method, and why ID isn't scientific, should not be able to graduate high school.

One can believe what one wants, but that's not science, and doesn't live in the science curriculum.

Jimmy Higgins

Actually, I don't see too much wrong with the changes they are looking for except one major thing, probably the big thing:

How about adding something to the World History Studies.
Everything else in there holds that they say that the theory of evolution points to certain past events, rather than we definitely know that "evolution" caused it. This is never a bad idea because just as at one time we thought time was a constant, we may one day find something new with genetics that blows evolution to a new stage. The underlying theory of evolution is solid, just the details need to be ironed out. There is nothing wrong with telling students this, but to introduce evidence for ID is silly. What are they going to say? Peppermoths don't prove evolution?

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David Wyatt

I am gratified that the Ohio State Legislature is finally taking an objective look at the stranglehold evolution has held on Ohio's classrooms. Perhaps their action will sweep aside the false theories of evolution and creation, and open the door for Ostrich Science.

Ostrich Science argues that the Earth is, in fact, a giant ostrich egg layed 30,000 years ago by a huge interstellar ostrich. There is much evidence to support our theory. First of all, it explains earthquakes, volcanoes as
perterbations caused by the young ostrch embryo as it prepares to hatch. Ostrich science explains all life as parasites left on the surface of the egg after hatching. Just as we have bacteria in our intenstines, so too life existed inside the Great Ostrich's ovaries. After all, are we more than germs to the Great Bird which is large enough to lay the entire earth? I
think not! In fact, the shock being laid is what killed off the dinosaurs!

For our final proof we must look at the Crab Nebulla. Ostrich Scientists, whom affectionately call themselves 'eggheads', have rigorously traced the path of the Great Ostrich there. The nebulla emits radio waves at 95.7 kilohertz, the very same frequency given off by ostrich feathers when excited by 50,000 volts! Is this coincidence? I think not! Rather, it is conclusive proof the earth is an ostrich egg.

I realize that not all of you subscribe to Ostrich Theory. But you cannot dismiss it. No one has ever travelled to the earths 'yolk' to verify there
is no ostrich. No human has ever visited the Crab Nebulla. Therefore no one can prove Ostrich Science wrong.

Surely Ohio's children deserve the best we can give the. By promoting equal time in the Classroom, Ohio's legislators have moved forward that blessed day when we all might join and bury our heads in the sand!