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John Hancock · 06-23-2003, 07:30 PM

This is a fun thread think I'll use portions of it in a raze letter to Sen. Levin (on senate arms whatever committee along with Gramham) with drew his war reservations one day after 8-10 billion was allocated to Isreal to help with their recession (personally I finally gained a working poor position I'm over qualified for after 5 months of intense searching).

Martin

PS. Sometimes I think that John Hancock had it right maybe I'll change my name.

hinduwoman · 06-23-2003, 07:54 PM

The way things are going will anyone believe USA even if the WMDs are found, or will it be assumed that USa planted them?

Ron Garrett · 06-24-2003, 05:21 AM

I don't know how Bush gets his hands on 25,000 gallons of liquid antrax and 500 tons of Sarin to smuggle into the country and plant. If all they come up with is an empty barrel or some prisoner who says "we had them, but we burned them after you attacked" or some such silliness, it'll only look worse. He's been trying to lay the blame on the intel analysts without pissing them off so bad they go to Congress o the papers. Even my conservative home town republican News and Observer is beginning to mock this WMD nonsense.

I wonder if it will make any difference? The media is still giving Bush a pass on this. And of course he has his own news networks to preach his propaganda verbatim (the Fox News organization is the only place on earth with more whores per square foot than a Bangkok brothel). I worry that something fundamentally changed in our national character after 9/11 that makes this country ripe for fascism. When you think about it, the most salient characteristic of fascism is that might makes right and the exercise of naked power and brute force resolves everything. Just this morning Bush declared another American citizen an "enemy combatant" and stripped him of his rights. I'd say we're there.

DoubleDutchy · 06-24-2003, 05:37 AM

This man is still looking for a job !

Ari Fleischer's successor ?

The SwampThing · 06-24-2003, 06:37 AM

Looted, eh?? I can see it now! Some dudes walking down the street with a 30 ft rocket on his shoulders!! Ahh ah ah!
It�s a killer, this one!! Where does Dubya get his speeches/jokes from? From MAD TV???
I know the guy must be gettin� desperate, but there are limits!
How stupid can one man be??? Maybe he expects the world to wait for the WMDs show up in some bazar, like the antique pieces?? Or even in E-Bay... :banghead:

And what about Saddam, and Osama Bin Laden? Were they "looted" aswell? Maybe the US troops should be looking for smugglers with a mint-condition Saddam in a suitcase!!! Although i doubt it would get a good price, unless you wanted to finish your "Dictators of the World" private collection...

I wonder how the hell so many people bought this BS as the truth, especcially after hearing stories like the "half-a-million men Iraqui Army", before the Gulf War! Or the story about the "ghost Army" massing by the Saudi border... It turned out there was no half a million men Army and no Iraqui forces by the Saudi border.
Infact, Saddam�s tanks were made of cardboard and balsa wood, to give the impression of heavilly armoured tanks in huge numbers!
Saddam has been a master of deception for ages. His army was fictitious, wether in material or in numbers. And i would believe his nuclear and bio-chemical programs were fictitious as well.
He liked to boast on his capabilities and exagerate numbers, in order to fool his enemies, wich were many.
I have no doubt he tried to obtain such weapons, but he lacked the expertize to manufacture them. The US is on a wild goose chase, looking for things wich existed only in the minds of Saddam and his closest officers, and in the minds of the Bush family, as it seems!!

The painfull fact is, that the Bush administration is dragging this issue, in the hope that people will eventually forget and thus getting their asses out of harm�s way!! I just hope this issue never dies out, and people keeps remembering about it, for as long as it takes.
Looking at the latest demonstrations, with protests on the streets of New York, those crooks get exposed for what they are:
liars and criminals. Belgium has already started trying them for war crimes, but a change in the belgium Law has sent those charges to their home nations and i doubt any american or british court would ever made them face trial, let alone convict them...
But it�s a start!
:banghead:

RLV · 06-24-2003, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by hinduwoman The way things are going will anyone believe USA even if the WMDs are found, or will it be assumed that USa planted them?

I will assume they will be planted (and I'm not alone here). Mostly because:
- the "evidence" presented before the attack by the US has turned out to be exaggerated or plainly false.
- Saddam didn't use any WMD during the invasion.
- the US has rejected the presence of UN inspectors in Iraq for looking for WMDs. Is there any reason for this, save not wanting eyes that are not under Bush&co's control?

R.L.V.
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06-23-2003, 07:30 PM	#31
John Hancock Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mars Posts: 2,231	This is a fun thread think I'll use portions of it in a raze letter to Sen. Levin (on senate arms whatever committee along with Gramham) with drew his war reservations one day after 8-10 billion was allocated to Isreal to help with their recession (personally I finally gained a working poor position I'm over qualified for after 5 months of intense searching). Martin PS. Sometimes I think that John Hancock had it right maybe I'll change my name.

06-23-2003, 07:54 PM	#32
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	The way things are going will anyone believe USA even if the WMDs are found, or will it be assumed that USa planted them?

06-24-2003, 05:21 AM	#33
Ron Garrett Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: United States Posts: 1,657	I don't know how Bush gets his hands on 25,000 gallons of liquid antrax and 500 tons of Sarin to smuggle into the country and plant. If all they come up with is an empty barrel or some prisoner who says "we had them, but we burned them after you attacked" or some such silliness, it'll only look worse. He's been trying to lay the blame on the intel analysts without pissing them off so bad they go to Congress o the papers. Even my conservative home town republican News and Observer is beginning to mock this WMD nonsense. I wonder if it will make any difference? The media is still giving Bush a pass on this. And of course he has his own news networks to preach his propaganda verbatim (the Fox News organization is the only place on earth with more whores per square foot than a Bangkok brothel). I worry that something fundamentally changed in our national character after 9/11 that makes this country ripe for fascism. When you think about it, the most salient characteristic of fascism is that might makes right and the exercise of naked power and brute force resolves everything. Just this morning Bush declared another American citizen an "enemy combatant" and stripped him of his rights. I'd say we're there.

06-24-2003, 05:37 AM	#34
DoubleDutchy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 889	This man is still looking for a job ! Ari Fleischer's successor ?

06-24-2003, 06:37 AM	#35
The SwampThing Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 249	Looted, eh?? I can see it now! Some dudes walking down the street with a 30 ft rocket on his shoulders!! Ahh ah ah! It�s a killer, this one!! Where does Dubya get his speeches/jokes from? From MAD TV??? I know the guy must be gettin� desperate, but there are limits! How stupid can one man be??? Maybe he expects the world to wait for the WMDs show up in some bazar, like the antique pieces?? Or even in E-Bay... :banghead: And what about Saddam, and Osama Bin Laden? Were they "looted" aswell? Maybe the US troops should be looking for smugglers with a mint-condition Saddam in a suitcase!!! Although i doubt it would get a good price, unless you wanted to finish your "Dictators of the World" private collection... I wonder how the hell so many people bought this BS as the truth, especcially after hearing stories like the "half-a-million men Iraqui Army", before the Gulf War! Or the story about the "ghost Army" massing by the Saudi border... It turned out there was no half a million men Army and no Iraqui forces by the Saudi border. Infact, Saddam�s tanks were made of cardboard and balsa wood, to give the impression of heavilly armoured tanks in huge numbers! Saddam has been a master of deception for ages. His army was fictitious, wether in material or in numbers. And i would believe his nuclear and bio-chemical programs were fictitious as well. He liked to boast on his capabilities and exagerate numbers, in order to fool his enemies, wich were many. I have no doubt he tried to obtain such weapons, but he lacked the expertize to manufacture them. The US is on a wild goose chase, looking for things wich existed only in the minds of Saddam and his closest officers, and in the minds of the Bush family, as it seems!! The painfull fact is, that the Bush administration is dragging this issue, in the hope that people will eventually forget and thus getting their asses out of harm�s way!! I just hope this issue never dies out, and people keeps remembering about it, for as long as it takes. Looking at the latest demonstrations, with protests on the streets of New York, those crooks get exposed for what they are: liars and criminals. Belgium has already started trying them for war crimes, but a change in the belgium Law has sent those charges to their home nations and i doubt any american or british court would ever made them face trial, let alone convict them... But it�s a start! :banghead:

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