shome42

So I'm watching a special on the KKK on The History Channel. It has a bit on David Duke, so I go to his website out of curiousity. There it lists some articles by him.

One article I read made some pretty shocking allegations about the Jewish religion with regard to its stance on Christianity.

http://www.davidduke.com/radio/trans...st01252003.htm

For example, he claims the Talmud, which is defined even by Webster's as the authoritative base upon which Judiaism is based, claims "Jesus is boiling in semen" and he had sex with a donkey.

Is this true? And can anyone elaborate on the Talmud's role in Judaism?

I realize that David Duke is far from a reliable source, but I'd like to verify he's full of b.s. before I dismiss him.

He goes on to use the alleged obscene references to Jesus in the Talmud as evidence of a Jewish media conspiracy.

I have to say...if it turns out that Judaism's sacred book says Jesus is boiling in semen and banged his donkey, I'd have to wonder why this is never talked about....especially considering the media has no problem discussing derogatory passages against Christians in the Quaran.

Here's a quote from his site:

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Thus the ultimate authority for Orthodoxy is the Babylonian Talmud. The Bible itself ranks second to it in reality, if not in theory. (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, "Authority," pg. 637)2

What does the Talmud, the chief authority of Judaism, have to say about Jesus Christ?

* Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass. (Sanhedrin 105a-b)3
* Jewish priests raised Balaam [Jesus] from the dead and punished him in boiling hot semen.(57a Gittin)4
* She who was the descendant of princes and governors [The Virgin Mary] played the harlot with a carpenter. (Sanhedrin 106a) [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedrin 52b) 5
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He says some other stuff in the article about more than the Talmud, if any body is so inclined, a general fact check of the article would be nice.

Peter Kirby

The position of the Talmud in Judaism is quite similar to that of the Church Fathers in Christianity.

Here is the story in Mead's translation.

"Onkelos bar Kalonikos, nephew of Titus, desired to secede to Judaism. He conjured up the spirit of Titus and asked him: Who is esteemed in that world? He answered: The Israelites. Onkelos asked further : Ought one to join himself to them? He answered : Their precepts are too many; thou canst not keep them; go rather hence and make war upon them in this world; so shall thou become a head; for it is said [Lam. i. 5]: 'Their adversaries are become the head,' i.e., Everyone that vexeth the Israelites becomes ahead. Onkelos asked the spirit: Wherewith art thou judged? He answered: With that which I have appointed for myself: each day my ashes are collected and I am judged; then I am burnt and the ashes scattered over the seven seas.

"Thereupon Onkelos went and conjured up the spirit of Balaam. He asked him: Who is esteemed in that world? The spirit answered: The Israelites. Onkelos asked further: Ought one to join himself to them? The spirit said: Seek not their peace and their good always. Onkelos asked: Wherewith art thou judged? The spirit answered: With boiling pollution.

"Thereupon Onkelos went and conjured up the spirit of Jeschu. He asked him: Who is esteemed in that world? The spirit answered: The Israelites. Onkelos asked further: Ought one to join himself to them?

"The spirit said: Seek their good and not their ill. He who toucheth them, touches the apple of His eye. Onkelos asked: Wherewith art thou judged? The spirit said: With boiling filth.

"For the teacher has said: He who scorneth the words of the wise is judged with boiling filth. See what a distinction there is between the apostates of Israel and the heathen prophets!"

http://www.didjesusexist.com/mead/ch11.html

Although dated, the book (link) has a lot of material on the alleged Jesus passages in the Talmud.

best,
Peter Kirby

Doctor X

Enjoyed the History Channel presentation!

Nothing like the truth.

I am afraid I do not wish to soil my computer with David Duke's webpage. However, I doubt an antisemite represents an unbiased opinion on Jewish texts.

--J.D.

shome42

Agreed, which is why I'm seeking to run his claims by others .