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Dr Rick · 06-26-2002, 06:50 AM

...and your child will be better-off: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/parenting/06/25/spanking.study.ap/index.html" target="_blank">link</a>

Corey Hammer · 06-26-2002, 08:05 AM

We discussed this in the graduate developmental psych class I took a few years back.

I seem to recall us also talking about the conditions under which corporal punishment takes place. The consensus (in the class from data we had to look at) was that if you had to spank then only do it under very specific and well-defined circumstances where the child was aware of the consequences of misbehavior AND NEVER do it while in an emotional state.

However, the consensus also was that it's probably better not to spank at all.

Personally, I would prefer to sit them in a corner with absolutely nothing to do. Time really drags for little kids.

excreationist · 06-26-2002, 08:18 AM

Well this is what the good book says:

Proverbs 10:13
"Wisdom is found on the lips of him who has understanding, But a rod is for the back of him who is devoid of understanding."

Proverbs 13:24
"He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly."

Proverbs 22:15
"Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him."

Proverbs 23:13-14
"Do not withhold correction from a child, For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell. [Or Sheol]"

Proverbs 26:3
"A whip for the horse, A bridle for the donkey, And a rod for the fool's back."

LeftCoast · 06-26-2002, 08:25 AM

The only times we've ever spanked our daughter (aside from the occasional light swat on the backside to get her attention) is when she figured out that she could unbuckle her carseat harness all by herself. She did it a couple of times when the car was moving and we felt we could not risk her deciding that unbuckling it was a game. It only took a couple of times and she does not do that anymore.

echidna · 06-27-2002, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by Corey Hammer:
<strong>We discussed this in the graduate developmental psych class I took a few years back.

I seem to recall us also talking about the conditions under which corporal punishment takes place. The consensus (in the class from data we had to look at) was that if you had to spank then only do it under very specific and well-defined circumstances where the child was aware of the consequences of misbehavior AND NEVER do it while in an emotional state.

However, the consensus also was that it's probably better not to spank at all.

Personally, I would prefer to sit them in a corner with absolutely nothing to do. Time really drags for little kids.</strong>

I think I�d go along with that philosophy.

I remember we hardly ever got spanked & never immediately after a misdemeanour. My Dad would always say that it would come later. That way he never did it in anger, and more importantly, the wait was far worse than the spanking.

Touchwood I haven�t assaulted anyone this week �

abe smith · 06-28-2002, 05:39 AM

YES, "Leftcoast"; that is the way to deal w/ actions wh/ are truly a threat to the kid's life & health. >>Make the kid know w/o ambiguity that THAT IS A NO-NO. AS for the matter in question here, I"d just like to suggest that for some of us, being NAGGED to death was bitterer than [probably] a plain smack wd've been. In general, w/ human children, as w/ horses, heavily-applied & overused punishment probably produces [psychic & physical} calluses {cf. hard mouth, from the bit} such that in the long run, punishment defeats its own purpose. I assume that "ex-creationist", a few posts aloft in this thread, is not a parent.

caritas · 06-30-2002, 01:33 AM

I have been a Christian all my 43 years. I was not taught, however, to be a literalist. I've always taken Prov.13:24 (He who spares the rod...) figuratively as wise advice to parents to be firm in discipline of one's children lest they learn unhealthy lessons from observing parental inconsistancy. I have never spanked my two boys. But when it comes to firm discipline and steadfast expectations they know where their parents stand.
BTW many biblical literalists also take this verse figuratively too but not to the degree as I. Many who use this verse to claim that corporal punishment is vital will, nonetheless, broadly interprete "rod" to include a wooden paddle or a belt. The poor kid getting saved from Hell via regular use of any such device, however, probably would corectly view this as a distinction without a difference.
Robert

shinobi909 · 07-08-2002, 04:47 AM

Hit your children if you want, but they will hate you later on.

Andromeda123 · 07-08-2002, 10:08 AM

Funny, my father hit me and I certainly don't hate him. What is a alternate viable form of discipline??

beachbum · 07-08-2002, 10:15 AM

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<strong>Funny, my father hit me and I certainly don't hate him. What is a alternate viable form of discipline??</strong>

Electrodes to the 'nads.

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06-26-2002, 08:05 AM	#2
Corey Hammer Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 368	We discussed this in the graduate developmental psych class I took a few years back. I seem to recall us also talking about the conditions under which corporal punishment takes place. The consensus (in the class from data we had to look at) was that if you had to spank then only do it under very specific and well-defined circumstances where the child was aware of the consequences of misbehavior AND NEVER do it while in an emotional state. However, the consensus also was that it's probably better not to spank at all. Personally, I would prefer to sit them in a corner with absolutely nothing to do. Time really drags for little kids.

06-26-2002, 08:18 AM	#3
excreationist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 4,886	Well this is what the good book says: Proverbs 10:13 "Wisdom is found on the lips of him who has understanding, But a rod is for the back of him who is devoid of understanding." Proverbs 13:24 "He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly." Proverbs 22:15 "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him." Proverbs 23:13-14 "Do not withhold correction from a child, For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell. [Or Sheol]" Proverbs 26:3 "A whip for the horse, A bridle for the donkey, And a rod for the fool's back."

06-26-2002, 08:25 AM	#4
LeftCoast Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 913	The only times we've ever spanked our daughter (aside from the occasional light swat on the backside to get her attention) is when she figured out that she could unbuckle her carseat harness all by herself. She did it a couple of times when the car was moving and we felt we could not risk her deciding that unbuckling it was a game. It only took a couple of times and she does not do that anymore.

06-28-2002, 05:39 AM	#6
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	YES, "Leftcoast"; that is the way to deal w/ actions wh/ are truly a threat to the kid's life & health. >>Make the kid know w/o ambiguity that THAT IS A NO-NO. AS for the matter in question here, I"d just like to suggest that for some of us, being NAGGED to death was bitterer than [probably] a plain smack wd've been. In general, w/ human children, as w/ horses, heavily-applied & overused punishment probably produces [psychic & physical} calluses {cf. hard mouth, from the bit} such that in the long run, punishment defeats its own purpose. I assume that "ex-creationist", a few posts aloft in this thread, is not a parent.

06-30-2002, 01:33 AM	#7
caritas Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tacoma, Wa Posts: 43	I have been a Christian all my 43 years. I was not taught, however, to be a literalist. I've always taken Prov.13:24 (He who spares the rod...) figuratively as wise advice to parents to be firm in discipline of one's children lest they learn unhealthy lessons from observing parental inconsistancy. I have never spanked my two boys. But when it comes to firm discipline and steadfast expectations they know where their parents stand. BTW many biblical literalists also take this verse figuratively too but not to the degree as I. Many who use this verse to claim that corporal punishment is vital will, nonetheless, broadly interprete "rod" to include a wooden paddle or a belt. The poor kid getting saved from Hell via regular use of any such device, however, probably would corectly view this as a distinction without a difference. Robert

07-08-2002, 04:47 AM	#8
shinobi909 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 93	Hit your children if you want, but they will hate you later on.

07-08-2002, 10:08 AM	#9
Andromeda123 New Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4	Funny, my father hit me and I certainly don't hate him. What is a alternate viable form of discipline??

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