Amos

Debbie, I am not in denial. Lock 'em up and throw the keys away for all I care if you think you have enough jails to house them all. You can do the same thing next year and the year after that.

I am not religious and the Church does not need protection because the truth will stand on its own. I once wrote that the best thing for America was the gather all of the bibles from North the South and burn them in a windrow from East to West.

The solution to the problem is not just in punishment and protection but in adressing the origen of the cause. I clearly stated that our sexual preference is not learned behavior and this is clear from the 50 year gay hunt that only proliferated the 'problem' until it now has become an alternate life style.

The Admiral

Amos

I have known a lot of Catholics in my life. As a matter of fact, I married one. She isn't one now but that was entirely her decision. My closest friend is a Catholic. At least he thinks he is. I know more about Catholicism than he does. My point however is that you are the strangest example of a Catholic that I have ever run across. Not to long ago you would have been burned at the stake for heresy. You must be just funning us. You can't be real.

The Admiral

Amos

Definitly not but I may have been the reason why others would be burned.

Debbie T

The problem with someone in denial is they can't recognize it in themselves. I have read your words throughout this thread and you are clearly in denial.

Yes I have heard almost every Christian claim they aren't religious, but your words and actions tell a different story. And you were making excuses for the church and tried to shift the blame to the victims.

The church's recent solution (after being pressured) made decisions to move the perpetrators away from children. They still are protecting them instead of turning it over to the police and letting the law and justice take care of the problem. What message do you think that gives to the victims? Haven't the victims had enough shame and blame without the church adding to it? Why isn't the church out fighting for those children? My opinion is because the church is a predator not a protector of its flock.

Ah now you are moving the goal posts. I agree in addressing the problem but first and foremost is protecting the children and quit letting the church not be responsible for their actions. Anyone in the secular world that did what Law did would be facing charges. Any teacher, social worker, counselor or anyone working with children would be facing serious consequences for not reporting these crimes. I do not understand for the life of me why Catholic leaders are above the laws that are supposed to protect children.

Next getting people like you out of denial and quit blaming the victims which you clearly did early on. Seems you are trying to change your story now.

So are you proposing that pedophiles have the children and live an alternative life style? Or are you just making a slam against homosexuals?

The Admiral

I ah, umm, hate to bring up something so ignorant, but, I wonder if it would help any if the Catholic church did not mandate that its priests live an unnatural and impossible life.

The Admiral

sullster

Hey Amos! I think they should lock you up and throw away the keys. Just joking my friend.

I agree with Debbie and the others who consider your views on child-rape to be outside of reality. Children are supposed to be protected from sex and sexual situations by their families and also by tax exempt Medieval costume organizations like the catholic church. We do live in a society which is full of sex in the media and advertising, yet that does not lessen the responsiblity of concerned adults to protect children. I utterly disagree with you that a child should be held at all responsible for dealing with an unwanted sexual situation, initiated by a priest, of all people. That is ridiculous to the extreme.

You pushed aside my argument that a child would fear a priest because he can send you to hell with a characteristic jab at the hated Prods. You just won't see the other-worldly powers a child raping priest can bring to bear on the credulous child.

Amos, could you just for a second, consider that a snake-like child raping priest, would say that a child will go to hell if he tells his parents about their little encounter? Can you see that the hell threat could be used to aid in seduction and conquest of children? Don't you BS me, Amos, you catholics believe in hell just as much as the Prods do. Think about it.

sullster

It would help bring in more normal people to the priesthood but it would lower the mystery level of priests. A catholic priest, unlike a protestant minister, is not just another credulous lackey who wears a robe and spouts off in front of everyone, he is an esoteric being who intercedes between the diety and the miserable scum person.

A married priest would be just another bloke with an old lady and a bunch of brats. The mystery would be gone. As evidenced by the actions of Bernie with aiding his child-raping buddy priests, the mystery and illusion is far more important than any issues about pervert priests. It is better to have some perverts than to loose the power of superstitious credulity. The Middle Ages will not go quietly.

Amos

Come on sullster, you know that hell is only for protestants. Why else do you think they are called our "lost brethren?"

So what do you think of parents who allow their children to have sleep-overs by a priest? You would have to nuts, don't you think? Were they maybe pimping their children? How about those 16 year olds? Were they afraid of hell and why did they go back for seconds?

Amos

Hey debbie, if I am "next" do you think I am part of the problem 'guilty by proxy' or something like that?

Debbie T

You are an enabler, that does NOT make you guilty of raping a child but your attitudes help enable it. As I said before denial doesn't solve the problem it perpetuates it. So you are part of the problem and not the solution.