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Goriller · 03-23-2002, 09:46 AM

To listen to a debate between a Christian talk-show host and a homosexual go to <a href="http://www.kgov.com" target="_blank">http://www.kgov.com</a> and go to the Wednesday, March 20th show entitled, "Bob's Getting Rusty." The debate begins about 12 minutes into the show.

trunks2k · 03-23-2002, 04:20 PM

I'm almost afraid to listen to this... I listened to this guy a couple weeks ago when he was in a "debate" with a lesbian. This guy is a flaming moron. But I might as well give it a listen.

trunks2k · 03-23-2002, 04:52 PM

Just listened to it again... Once again we see Bob Enyart as a blithering idiot. I got about to the part when Bob says "You may think it's wrong to use a salad fork on your main course, but the rest of society might not think that way." and I turned it off. Enyart is sneaky little bastard, he purposely set up his question that no matter what Rusty said, Rusty looks like the idiot (at least to the average funfuhmentalist). He tires to trap Rusty into saying that he believes there is no absolute right and wrong and then say killing Jews is absolutly right (therefore Rusty contradicts himself). But when Rusty says "in my opnion" Enyart goes off on him. And then when Rusty says that in the eyes of the Nazis, it was right to kill Jews, Enyart yells at him for being a moral subjectivist and calls him an idiot for not learning that there IS an absolute right and wrong.
Enyart also kept going on about how Rusty's opinion doesn't matter in the given situations (rape and Nazis killing Jews). But Enyart can't get it through his thick skull that morality is based on the opinions of the entire society, so therefore Rusty's opinion does matter. Rusty should get at the point that morality is/should be based on the good/damage a certain moral does to society.

woodchuck · 03-23-2002, 10:21 PM

so are you saying that a society can't be wrong? only a person?

nixon · 03-24-2002, 12:13 AM

Actually I am listening to this interview now, and it is dumb. However, Rusty isn't too swift either. All he had to say was there is no absolute right or wrong, and say that it is not absolutely wrong to kill Jews, rape women, or be homosexual. Since of course there are no absolute morals.
Of course this is a very unpopular view, and so he could instead have said he does believe in absolute right or wrongs, and very simply said that wrongs are ONLY things/choices that directly hurt or kill another human, or violate their rights (There being no right to not be offended)

trunks2k · 03-24-2002, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by woodchuck:
<strong>so are you saying that a society can't be wrong? only a person?</strong>

Society can be wrong morally, but only to a person/other society that has a different set of morals.

woodchuck · 03-24-2002, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by trunks2k:
Society can be wrong morally, but only to a person/other society that has a different set of morals.[/QB]

So if in my society we feed living newborn babies to giant circus wombats as entertainment, and use retarded people as pinata's at parties- that's only wrong to your society? It isn't in itself wrong?

(I'm just trying to understand, not trying to be a smart ass)

03-23-2002, 09:46 AM	#1
Goriller Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 60	Homosexual v. Christian debate To listen to a debate between a Christian talk-show host and a homosexual go to <a href="http://www.kgov.com" target="_blank">http://www.kgov.com</a> and go to the Wednesday, March 20th show entitled, "Bob's Getting Rusty." The debate begins about 12 minutes into the show.

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03-23-2002, 04:20 PM	#2
trunks2k Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 6,997	I'm almost afraid to listen to this... I listened to this guy a couple weeks ago when he was in a "debate" with a lesbian. This guy is a flaming moron. But I might as well give it a listen.

03-23-2002, 04:52 PM	#3
trunks2k Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 6,997	Just listened to it again... Once again we see Bob Enyart as a blithering idiot. I got about to the part when Bob says "You may think it's wrong to use a salad fork on your main course, but the rest of society might not think that way." and I turned it off. Enyart is sneaky little bastard, he purposely set up his question that no matter what Rusty said, Rusty looks like the idiot (at least to the average funfuhmentalist). He tires to trap Rusty into saying that he believes there is no absolute right and wrong and then say killing Jews is absolutly right (therefore Rusty contradicts himself). But when Rusty says "in my opnion" Enyart goes off on him. And then when Rusty says that in the eyes of the Nazis, it was right to kill Jews, Enyart yells at him for being a moral subjectivist and calls him an idiot for not learning that there IS an absolute right and wrong. Enyart also kept going on about how Rusty's opinion doesn't matter in the given situations (rape and Nazis killing Jews). But Enyart can't get it through his thick skull that morality is based on the opinions of the entire society, so therefore Rusty's opinion does matter. Rusty should get at the point that morality is/should be based on the good/damage a certain moral does to society.

03-23-2002, 10:21 PM	#4
woodchuck Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Coos Bay, OR Posts: 51	so are you saying that a society can't be wrong? only a person?

03-24-2002, 12:13 AM	#5
nixon Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Valleyview, OH USA Posts: 6,638	Actually I am listening to this interview now, and it is dumb. However, Rusty isn't too swift either. All he had to say was there is no absolute right or wrong, and say that it is not absolutely wrong to kill Jews, rape women, or be homosexual. Since of course there are no absolute morals. Of course this is a very unpopular view, and so he could instead have said he does believe in absolute right or wrongs, and very simply said that wrongs are ONLY things/choices that directly hurt or kill another human, or violate their rights (There being no right to not be offended)

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