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Bettawrekonize · 12-17-2002, 05:03 PM

The bible says that the Antichrist will come from the sea (meaning not from Palestine, Israel, or that area. When the Bible says the land it usually means Palestine, Israel, or that general area, the Middle East), from the land of seven hills (mountains). It also says that he will make all the money in Europe one, and he will make peace between Israel and Palestine. Rome is the capital of Italy and it has seven mountains. Europe currently has the Euro – Dollar and all the states in Europe only use the Euro Dollar except Italy and France. They accept the Euro Dollar; however, they also have there own money that they use. It would make sense that whoever makes all the money in Europe one would have to come from either Italy or France. The Bible also says that Israel and Palestine will not stop fighting until the Antichrist makes peace between them. About two thousand years later, all the other nations were at war, and had times of peace, (war, peace, war peace, etc...) except for Israel and Palestine. Sure enough, just like the Bible says, there still fighting. Multiple generations have passed away. The leaders in Israel and Palestine have been replaced multiple times over since the beginning (meaning the problem isn’t the leaders), and yet, just as the Bible says, there still fighting (the book has never been proven wrong). The Bible also says that the strongest nation will pour out it’s strength, and all it’s strength would be in vain. Currently the U.S has been trying to take over Afghanistan and Iraq for oil. I read in a magazine that the U.S already spent about $10 billion attacking Iraq. So far the U.S doesn’t even know if they killed Osama Bin Laden. The bible says that afterwards there is going to be a whirlwind around Europe (which means that there going to get a lot of power). So basically, after we wasted a lot of money on trying to get oil, Europe will get a lot of power. The Bible also says that the strongest nation has a lot of pride, and GOD will destroy its pride. It says that the strongest nation will receive an attack that will wipe out a third of the population. Look at all the nations that now have nukes, and are developing nukes. The U.S is trying to pay Russia to take down their nukes, and if Russia needs them there just going to bring them back up. Everyone is getting a hold of nukes now. Saddam Hussein already has nuclear weapons. GOD also said that if the nations repent, and start following his will, he will spare us of all the bad stuff he said he was going to do.

<a href="http://www.biblebell.org/mbag/mailbagaj.html" target="_blank">http://www.biblebell.org/mbag/mailbagaj.html</a>

While Europe is ultimately going to gain control of everything, right now the U.S should really be concerned about Iran. There very powerful without oil, and if they get a hold of the oil, we’re in big trouble (I recently seen on the news that Iran has nuclear weapons).

<a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/south.htm" target="_blank">http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/south.htm</a>

More links on prophecy.

<a href="http://www.heraldmag.org/bookstore/booklet_bibleprophecy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.heraldmag.org/bookstore/booklet_bibleprophecy.htm</a>

This link explains that no matter how much America tries (no matter how much power it uses), its strength shall be used in vain.

<a href="http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html" target="_blank">http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html</a>

This is exactly why, no matter how hard the U.S tries to control terrorism, no matter how hard they try to gain oil and take control, they will miserably fail (and they will spend a lot of money on it, just like what’s happening now, and there money shall be spent in vain). The Bible is the truth. It’s very consistent with what’s happening right now, and if we don’t repent, something really bad is going to happen to the U.S (whether they like it or not).

Bettawrekonize · 12-17-2002, 05:05 PM

"The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles. I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
013:006 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there. But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged." (Isaiah 13).
Basically there is going to be an attack from one side of the world to the other, and it’s going to completely destroy Babylon. No one is going to be able to live on that land for Generations. What happens when you bomb an area with a nuclear weapon? It destroys everything, and no one can live in that area for a long time. They didn’t have nuclear weapons back then. The Bible does a very good job illustrating nuclear weapons. It also does a good job describing guns (and airplanes).

Bettawrekonize · 12-17-2002, 05:12 PM

This web sight is very interesting. While this web sight states that George Bush is the Antichrist (I think that part was meant to be a joke), it does have some verses that prophesizes what’s going to happen in Iraq. From the looks of it, the U.S will destroy Iraq, but they won’t get the oil (for very long. The power of the strongest nation shall be spent in vain), and someone else will end up getting the oil (probably Iran).
"I saw him attack the ram furiously, striking the ram and shattering his two horns. The ram was powerless to stand against him, the goat knocked him to the ground and trampled on him, and none could rescue the ram from his power. " The U.S will destroy Iraq.

"The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his large horn was broken off." The U.S may get the oil for a while, but then something really bad is going to happen to the U.S (as I mentioned before).
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm</a>

Fiach · 12-17-2002, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bettawrekonize:

The bible says that the Antichrist will come from the sea (meaning not from Palestine, Israel, or that area. When the Bible says the land it usually means Palestine, Israel, or that general area, the Middle East), from the land of seven hills (mountains).

In other words it is ambivalent. The Bible doesn't say anything. Is is a collection of essays by self-appointed prophets. This explains why it is so inconsistent that people can interpret it nearly any way they wish to suit their psychopathologicial needs.

It also says that he will make all the money in Europe one, and he will make peace between Israel and Palestine.

I have read the Bible cover to cover, and I never found that.

Rome is the capital of Italy and it has seven mountains.

Seattle also has 7 hills.

Europe currently has the Euro – Dollar and all the states in Europe only use the Euro Dollar except Italy and France.

That is news to me. I live in the UK, and I wish they had told me that. I keep spending pounds (quid, bob, whatever.) I never see a Euro up here except if I am in the Bank of Scotland waiting in line while some Germans exchange their Euros for real money.

[b]They accept the Euro Dollar; however, they also have there own money that they use. It would make sense that whoever makes all the money in Europe one would have to come from either Italy or France. The Bible also says that Israel and Palestine will not stop fighting until the Antichrist makes peace between them.[.B]

Where does it say that. I can't find it. I don't want another barmy website from some gomeral who refuses to take his medication. They certainly seem like nutters to me. Give me the Bible: chapter and verse, eh?

About two thousand years later, all the other nations were at war, and had times of peace, (war, peace, war peace, etc...) except for Israel and Palestine. Sure enough, just like the Bible says, there still fighting.

Israel and the Aborigines (Israelites who converted to Islam) are still fighting. But boyo are you wrong about the rest of that rubbish. There is no peace around the world. There is war in Columbia, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Indonesia, Sudan, Kurdistan, Chechnya, Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, Somalia, etc.

Multiple generations have passed away. The leaders in Israel and Palestine have been replaced multiple times over since the beginning (meaning the problem isn’t the leaders), and yet, just as the Bible says, there still fighting (the book has never been proven wrong).

I don't have the time to list all of the errors. striking ones are the 6 day creation, scientifically disproven. Noah's Flood, scientifically shown to have never happened (no source for over 2 billion cubic km of water.) Jesus taken to a mountain top by Satan where he could see all the nations of the Earth (Mexico/Toltec, Pre-Incan, the Ohio/Mississippi Indian Nations with its cities) and still see Palestine, Sinai, and Lebanon. He was on a bloody sphere and didn't know it. You can't see the back of a sphere from one side. Solomon's pool was 10 cubits wide, perfectly round, and 30 cubits in diameter (opps, he didn't know Pi, 3.1416) The pool had to be 31.416 cubits around.

The Bible also says

The bloody book actually talks?

that the strongest nation will pour out it’s strength, and all it’s strength would be in vain. Currently the U.S has been trying to take over Afghanistan and Iraq for oil. I read in a magazine that the U.S already spent about $10 billion attacking Iraq. So far the U.S doesn’t even know if they killed Osama Bin Laden. The bible says that afterwards there is going to be a whirlwind around Europe (which means that there going to get a lot of power). So basically, after we wasted a lot of money on trying to get oil, Europe will get a lot of power. The Bible also says that the strongest nation has a lot of pride, and GOD will destroy its pride.

No, it doesn't "say" that.

It says that the strongest nation will receive an attack that will wipe out a third of the population.

I don't think that it "says" that either.

Look at all the nations that now have nukes, and are developing nukes. The U.S is trying to pay Russia to take down their nukes, and if Russia needs them there just going to bring them back up. Everyone is getting a hold of nukes now. Saddam Hussein already has nuclear weapons.

That is current news. You don't need no book of fairy tales to know that. I can't find nuclear weapons in the Bible but I can in the London Times.

GOD also said that if the nations repent, and start following his will, he will spare us of all the bad stuff he said he was going to do.

Even George Bush, the idiot that he is, is not stupid enough to unilaterally disarm and say he is born again for the second time. Although he just might.

<a href="http://www.biblebell.org/mbag/mailbagaj.html" target="_blank">http://www.biblebell.org/mbag/mailbagaj.html</a>

While Europe is ultimately going to gain control of everything, right now the U.S should really be concerned about Iran. There very powerful without oil, and if they get a hold of the oil, we’re in big trouble (I recently seen on the news that Iran has nuclear weapons).

I agree with you here. I agree because we know it is true, not because of some biblical rubbish. The scariest scenario is any nation with nukes that is willing to kill for God. With Iran and America each hyperreligious and willing to kill for God, it looks like a bleak future. I am hoping that we atheists up here in the far north can stay out of it. Maybe if you both destroy each other, there will be peace on earth.

<a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/south.htm" target="_blank">http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/south.htm</a>

More links on prophecy.

<a href="http://www.heraldmag.org/bookstore/booklet_bibleprophecy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.heraldmag.org/bookstore/booklet_bibleprophecy.htm</a>

This link explains that no matter how much America tries (no matter how much power it uses), its strength shall be used in vain.

Bollocks!

<a href="http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html" target="_blank">http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html</a>

This is exactly why, no matter how hard the U.S tries to control terrorism, no matter how hard they try to gain oil and take control, they will miserably fail (and they will spend a lot of money on it, just like what’s happening now, and there money shall be spent in vain). The Bible is the truth. It’s very consistent with what’s happening right now, and if we don’t repent, something really bad is going to happen to the U.S (whether they like it or not).

The problem is that the US is controlled at Presidential level, Congressional level, and the Courts exclusively by Christians. If the fundamentalist/evangelical minority can bully the majority moderates into fear and violence, they will do it. Then you will finally have the terribly bloody war you all smile about on telly. It amazes me how the televangelists talke about billions of people dying with a bloody smile on their crazy looking faces. Those blokes scare me, not their imaginary god.

Atheist's prayer: God protect me from your followers.

Fiach

12-17-2002, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Fiach:
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Atheist's prayer: God protect me from your followers.

Fiach

Let me add my Catholic prayer: God protect me from your Puritan followers.

Bettawrekonize · 12-17-2002, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fiach:
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The problem is that the US is controlled at Presidential level, Congressional level, and the Courts exclusively by Christians. If the fundamentalist/evangelical minority can bully the majority moderates into fear and violence, they will do it. Then you will finally have the terribly bloody war you all smile about on telly. It amazes me how the televangelists talke about billions of people dying with a bloody smile on their crazy looking faces. Those blokes scare me, not their imaginary god.

Atheist's prayer: God protect me from your followers.

Fiach

The way I see it, it’s the Christians that are keeping order in this country. I always knew Christians to try and make people sign petitions to stop all the gang violence in L.A. I always known Christian organizations that donate money to poor people, Christians who are fighting the rich pharmaceutical companies for overpricing drugs (and the medical system who are killing many people because they base what they do on profit). America began with Christians (the pledge of allegiance), and now that there are less and less Christians, America is getting worse and worse. Most of our famous scientists (Thomas Edison) believed in a creator.

Bettawrekonize · 12-17-2002, 06:19 PM

Money has, In God we trust (from the beginning). Now people are trying to push Christianity out of America, and as Christians become less and less, the crime rate continues to increase. They were trying to take the part in the Pledge of Allegiance that says, “One nation, Under GOD” out.

[ December 17, 2002: Message edited by: Bettawrekonize ]

Bettawrekonize · 12-17-2002, 06:23 PM

When all the Christians are gone after the rapture, this nation will fall apart.

Hayden · 12-17-2002, 06:33 PM

Do you have chapter and verse for any of this?

HR

PS The USA is the most heavily Christian-populated country in the world, and has one of the highest (if not the highest) murder rates in the world. How does this fit in with your "as the Christians leave, the crime rate goes up" theory?

Jeremy Pallant · 12-17-2002, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bettawrekonize:
Europe currently has the Euro � Dollar and all the states in Europe only use the Euro Dollar except Italy and France.

It would have helped had you actually visited <a href="http://europa.eu.int/euro/html/entry.html" target="_blank">the official Euro website</a>.

The nations for whom the official currency is the Euro are:

Belgium
Germany
Spain
France
Ireland
Italy
Luxembourg
the Netherlands
Austria
Portugal
Finland
Greece

Your prophecy would be more convincing if you got your facts correct.

12-17-2002, 05:03 PM	#1
Bettawrekonize Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Torrance, California, U.S Posts: 28	Prophecy The bible says that the Antichrist will come from the sea (meaning not from Palestine, Israel, or that area. When the Bible says the land it usually means Palestine, Israel, or that general area, the Middle East), from the land of seven hills (mountains). It also says that he will make all the money in Europe one, and he will make peace between Israel and Palestine. Rome is the capital of Italy and it has seven mountains. Europe currently has the Euro – Dollar and all the states in Europe only use the Euro Dollar except Italy and France. They accept the Euro Dollar; however, they also have there own money that they use. It would make sense that whoever makes all the money in Europe one would have to come from either Italy or France. The Bible also says that Israel and Palestine will not stop fighting until the Antichrist makes peace between them. About two thousand years later, all the other nations were at war, and had times of peace, (war, peace, war peace, etc...) except for Israel and Palestine. Sure enough, just like the Bible says, there still fighting. Multiple generations have passed away. The leaders in Israel and Palestine have been replaced multiple times over since the beginning (meaning the problem isn’t the leaders), and yet, just as the Bible says, there still fighting (the book has never been proven wrong). The Bible also says that the strongest nation will pour out it’s strength, and all it’s strength would be in vain. Currently the U.S has been trying to take over Afghanistan and Iraq for oil. I read in a magazine that the U.S already spent about $10 billion attacking Iraq. So far the U.S doesn’t even know if they killed Osama Bin Laden. The bible says that afterwards there is going to be a whirlwind around Europe (which means that there going to get a lot of power). So basically, after we wasted a lot of money on trying to get oil, Europe will get a lot of power. The Bible also says that the strongest nation has a lot of pride, and GOD will destroy its pride. It says that the strongest nation will receive an attack that will wipe out a third of the population. Look at all the nations that now have nukes, and are developing nukes. The U.S is trying to pay Russia to take down their nukes, and if Russia needs them there just going to bring them back up. Everyone is getting a hold of nukes now. Saddam Hussein already has nuclear weapons. GOD also said that if the nations repent, and start following his will, he will spare us of all the bad stuff he said he was going to do. <a href="http://www.biblebell.org/mbag/mailbagaj.html" target="_blank">http://www.biblebell.org/mbag/mailbagaj.html</a> While Europe is ultimately going to gain control of everything, right now the U.S should really be concerned about Iran. There very powerful without oil, and if they get a hold of the oil, we’re in big trouble (I recently seen on the news that Iran has nuclear weapons). <a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/south.htm" target="_blank">http://www3.sympatico.ca/bibleprophecy/south.htm</a> More links on prophecy. <a href="http://www.heraldmag.org/bookstore/booklet_bibleprophecy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.heraldmag.org/bookstore/booklet_bibleprophecy.htm</a> This link explains that no matter how much America tries (no matter how much power it uses), its strength shall be used in vain. <a href="http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html" target="_blank">http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/dayofterror.html</a> This is exactly why, no matter how hard the U.S tries to control terrorism, no matter how hard they try to gain oil and take control, they will miserably fail (and they will spend a lot of money on it, just like what’s happening now, and there money shall be spent in vain). The Bible is the truth. It’s very consistent with what’s happening right now, and if we don’t repent, something really bad is going to happen to the U.S (whether they like it or not).

12-17-2002, 06:19 PM	#7
Bettawrekonize Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Torrance, California, U.S Posts: 28	Money has, In God we trust (from the beginning). Now people are trying to push Christianity out of America, and as Christians become less and less, the crime rate continues to increase. They were trying to take the part in the Pledge of Allegiance that says, “One nation, Under GOD” out. [ December 17, 2002: Message edited by: Bettawrekonize ]</p>

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Bettawrekonize Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Torrance, California, U.S Posts: 28	"The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles. I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness. The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. 013:006 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there. But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged." (Isaiah 13). Basically there is going to be an attack from one side of the world to the other, and it’s going to completely destroy Babylon. No one is going to be able to live on that land for Generations. What happens when you bomb an area with a nuclear weapon? It destroys everything, and no one can live in that area for a long time. They didn’t have nuclear weapons back then. The Bible does a very good job illustrating nuclear weapons. It also does a good job describing guns (and airplanes).

12-17-2002, 05:12 PM	#3
Bettawrekonize Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Torrance, California, U.S Posts: 28	This web sight is very interesting. While this web sight states that George Bush is the Antichrist (I think that part was meant to be a joke), it does have some verses that prophesizes what’s going to happen in Iraq. From the looks of it, the U.S will destroy Iraq, but they won’t get the oil (for very long. The power of the strongest nation shall be spent in vain), and someone else will end up getting the oil (probably Iran). "I saw him attack the ram furiously, striking the ram and shattering his two horns. The ram was powerless to stand against him, the goat knocked him to the ground and trampled on him, and none could rescue the ram from his power. " The U.S will destroy Iraq. "The goat became very great, but at the height of his power his large horn was broken off." The U.S may get the oil for a while, but then something really bad is going to happen to the U.S (as I mentioned before). <a href="http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/trebor_92627/Bush.htm</a>

12-17-2002, 06:23 PM	#8
Bettawrekonize Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Torrance, California, U.S Posts: 28	When all the Christians are gone after the rapture, this nation will fall apart.

12-17-2002, 06:33 PM	#9
Hayden Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 712	Do you have chapter and verse for any of this? HR PS The USA is the most heavily Christian-populated country in the world, and has one of the highest (if not the highest) murder rates in the world. How does this fit in with your "as the Christians leave, the crime rate goes up" theory?

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