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Loren Pechtel · 01-23-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by LadyShea
Nevada gaming commission is usually pretty strict....its unusaul here

Yeah, my wife used to look distinctly underage. She couldn't stop and look without security trying to throw her out. To make it worse she has never liked carrying things and normally would not have ID on her. (Since she doesn't drive she doesn't have to carry her license like most people do.)

Viti · 01-23-2003, 09:45 PM

I think 10 is awfully young to be babysitting a 3 yr old at that hour. Guess it depends on the 10 yr old. I stayed home alone in the afternoons from 3-5 when my Mom got home, but never at night.

I don't mean to jumpt to conclusions thats why I listed my questions...it just seems like too many "wrong" things came together bringing aboout the tragedy...absent parents, sociopathic teens, a bad shady money deal and this level of retaliation...its like a movie.

Doubting Didymus · 01-23-2003, 09:49 PM

Death penalty. Great. What if they are actually not the culprits?

Viti · 01-23-2003, 09:51 PM

Somebody confessed and told the police where they discarded the murder weapons and bloody clothing...from what I understand the police are recovering the knives

A neighbor saw the car leaving the scene which is how the cops found them several hours later in another state.

They had been ejected from the Casino after a physical altercation with the mother and boyfriend 10 minutes or so before the murders.

The 10 yr old described the attack

Pretty open and shut case IMO

lunachick · 01-23-2003, 09:55 PM

Over here, it's the law to have someone at least 14 years of age to babysit young'uns.

Parents who leave their kids home alone without someone who is at least that age, may (will) be prosecuted.

Doubting Didymus · 01-23-2003, 09:55 PM

Nonetheless, the possibility of innocence always exists.

Always.

To use an irreversible punishment in a system where innocence is even marginally possible is both stupid and sick. As far as I am concerned, the death penalty is an equal crim as it would be to kill these culprits as a vigilante. Thats murder. Another one.

Viti · 01-23-2003, 10:00 PM

Could you give me a scenario where they could be innocent given the current evidence?

Doubting Didymus · 01-23-2003, 10:06 PM

They were framed. they confessed because of threats to their family. The evidence is fake.

Its waaay out there, I know. The point is that the death penalty is insane in ANY case where guilt can not be established to utter 100% certainty. We can't even establish our own existence with that kind of certainty.

ju'iblex · 01-23-2003, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus
Nonetheless, the possibility of innocence always exists.

Always.

To use an irreversible punishment in a system where innocence is even marginally possible is both stupid and sick. As far as I am concerned, the death penalty is an equal crim as it would be to kill these culprits as a vigilante. Thats murder. Another one.

indeed. the death penalty is never an acceptable punishment.

Doubting Didymus · 01-23-2003, 10:19 PM

I wonder: is there anyone from a country that does not have the death penalty, that supports it?

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01-23-2003, 09:45 PM	#12
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	I think 10 is awfully young to be babysitting a 3 yr old at that hour. Guess it depends on the 10 yr old. I stayed home alone in the afternoons from 3-5 when my Mom got home, but never at night. I don't mean to jumpt to conclusions thats why I listed my questions...it just seems like too many "wrong" things came together bringing aboout the tragedy...absent parents, sociopathic teens, a bad shady money deal and this level of retaliation...its like a movie.

01-23-2003, 09:49 PM	#13
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Death penalty. Great. What if they are actually not the culprits?

01-23-2003, 09:51 PM	#14
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Somebody confessed and told the police where they discarded the murder weapons and bloody clothing...from what I understand the police are recovering the knives A neighbor saw the car leaving the scene which is how the cops found them several hours later in another state. They had been ejected from the Casino after a physical altercation with the mother and boyfriend 10 minutes or so before the murders. The 10 yr old described the attack Pretty open and shut case IMO

01-23-2003, 09:55 PM	#15
lunachick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 7,895	Over here, it's the law to have someone at least 14 years of age to babysit young'uns. Parents who leave their kids home alone without someone who is at least that age, may (will) be prosecuted.

01-23-2003, 10:00 PM	#17
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Could you give me a scenario where they could be innocent given the current evidence?

01-23-2003, 10:06 PM	#18
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	They were framed. they confessed because of threats to their family. The evidence is fake. Its waaay out there, I know. The point is that the death penalty is insane in ANY case where guilt can not be established to utter 100% certainty. We can't even establish our own existence with that kind of certainty.

01-23-2003, 10:19 PM	#20
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	I wonder: is there anyone from a country that does not have the death penalty, that supports it?

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