Daggah

Remember when your mommy and daddy told you you don't always get the things you want?

They were right.

As for the rest...you really LOVE red herrings, don't you?

(Not that I can make any sense out of your ramblings in order to respond to them anyway...)

Yellum Notnef

This is really pathetic.
Here we have a guy who claims to have read the bible for 25 years,spoken in tongues,built an aluminum bike frame with Jesus` help,seen "paradise lost" and is allegedly no longer able to sin.
He`s here on some kind of self-appointed mission to set all us "skeptics","cynics","atheist automatons","parrots" and "pots" straight about Christianity. But I ask him a simple question about where sin came from that Jesus died to pay for and he throws a hissy fit and eventually bails out completely.

It IS indeed on topic,but you can`t answer it so instead of being a man and admitting you`re wrong,you are now grasping for anything you can to keep the debate alive. This is the infamous "perceived draw" tactic you`ve employed again and again since you started posting here.
I`m sorry Radorth,but any readers over the age of 6 (perceptive or not) would be able to figure out whats going on this thread

Hold up all the mirrors you want my friend,yours is by far the ugliest and I think you know it.

JEST2ASK

IMO ... IT IS THE ACTIONS OF BELIEVERS that bring about any change on a personal level or a larger social level ... NOT the "TRUTH" of the gospels ..... again IMO

Radorth

Huh? I never said the last- in fact I said quite the contrary. OK maybe you have a reading disorder. Have you tried reading English from left to right? You're missing a lot of stuff I said. And I said I invented a highly successful aluminum racing frame, as well as built them.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

I`m pretty sure you made that comment about no longer being capable of sin,but I`m not about to search through your 1400+ maniacal posts to find it.
Maybe someone else here remembers where and when you said it,but even though I said I have all the time in the world to follow you around on this board,it`s still not enough time to track down that particular post.

Buiult,invented,whatever. You designed an aluminum BMX frame around 1990-1991,but you never did mention the make and model.
I`m more than a little familiar with BMX frames having owned a quarter pipe and an assortment of other ramps years ago. Many of us already had aluminum frames back in the mid 80`s and we just weren`t using them to wussy around some dirt track either.
None of these aluminum frames (and some were alloy/chrome molly) ever broke even after 20 foot falls onto concrete so your claim to fame about an unbreakable frame is rather lame.

Daggah

Fenton, I vaguely remember him saying something to that effect, too, but like you, I have no intention of reading through all of Radorth's old trolling and rambling to find it.

Radorth

I never said any such thing. You guys are hearing voices in your heads again. Now I'm forced to wonder who's that might be.

You don't know what you are talking about with BMX aluminum racing frames either Fenton. Only Redline raced an aluminum frame in those days, and they were only good for one race. They also had to pay the rider a lot of money to ride it. They couldn't double butt aluminum then and the welds failed easily. I solved that problem with a completely unique design which the world champion rode for nothing after a fourth place rider beat him on it.

(Speaking of deep holes)

Rad

Daggah

Well Radorth, either you're a liar, or you just lack reading comprehension. (Both theories could be right. The evidence certainly supports either interpretation.)

Source

Yellum Notnef

Source [/QUOTE]

Thanks Daggah. I knew it was in one of those threads!


Radorth,
Weren`t you just saying something about holes?


Btw,I`m not done with this aluminum frame stuff either. I`m almost positive that friends of mine had aluminum frames back in the mid 80`s that didn`t break. Redline was not the only one,but I`ll have to ask my little brother if he remembers what it was. I don`t,but I do remembr it was built from oval tubing.
Even though I couldn`t care less about BMX bikes anymore (I`m too old and fat for that stuff now),I did a little snooping online and I`ve already found some info that conflicts with your bragging.
It turns out that all those aluminum frames built before Jesus got involved were not breaking like they were made out of egg noodles and didn`t need to be discarded after each race. They were indeed thought to be unsafe though and teams were given new frames every few months.
Whats most interesting is that there are still people in the business today who say that ALL aluminum frames are STILL dangerous and STILL can crack apart. They`ve apparently never heard of your miracle frame.

From this article written in 1999

After reading how dangerous these frames were (and apparently still are),I guess my friends who owned these things were very lucky they did not get hurt.

Radorth

That's it? After all the times I have admitted to hypocrisy and sin and having no righteousness of my own? And do I say I am incapable of it? No. You guys are far more sure of your own righteousness I'd say.

Yeah to get the weld area bigger, and on my frame it was twice as big in critical areas. If you've ever been up close to a real BMX race where they jump and straddle berms, you would know why the top riders refused to ride them.

First you say they didn't break. Then you aren't sure. Then you say they have yet to invent one that isn't dangerous. What a bunch of contradictory, anecdotal B.S that is. You have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt you even know what "double butt" means and why it is so important to weld strength. Also your quote says the day of a "low-cost" safe frame alum frame has yet to arrive. Mine didn't qualify as low-cost, and that was the main problem with it although kids mowed lawns all summer to get one. The company failed because it could not build in high volume and the cost remained too high. I left when the management couldn't get big financing and because I was building the frames myself without pay for a year.

OK I'll repeat my question. Who refused to ride anything but a steel frame until mine came along and who won the 93 (or 92 perhaps) world championship on my frame? (I already told you and you still can't figure it out) It also appeared on the cover of BMX magazine in 92. If I back this up, will you shut up? No. And that's why I don't bother because you would insist I scan the cover and post it on the web. Right? This is just more of your tendentious, never ending cynical BS Fenton. You and Daggah are just out to get me one way or another as you have nothing else to do and you couldn't argue on thread if you wanted to.

Hopefully a skeptic who was into BMX in those days will look into the facts here and say something rational about it. There is no proof you would accept from me, is there?

Rad