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Old 09-16-2002, 08:40 AM   #21
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Interesting taphonomy links.

One of the lamer "issues" raisd by creationists is some version of, "Why are there not billions of human fossils?" There are of course 3 reasons:

1) fossilization is rather rare, particularly for land animals,

2) continued preservation of the rock that binds, and protects the fossil is variable,

3) we have recovered only a tiny amount of the existing fossils.

Given point #3, the museum warehouses are full! We severely limit the new acquisitions to high quality material. Just what high quality material is can lead to some intense arguments. Alot of our rejected fossils are given to school teachers.

The surface preservation of bone depends on the local conditions and type of bone. As far as David's other question, it has been answered as well as can be done with out a field trip. My suggestion to David is to go to a Natural History museum and find out about their field trip schedual. (Also try your local college's geology department).
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How long can a bone last for on the surface before being decomposed or crumbling to nothing?
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This would depend on the enviroment.

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Cause it is really bothering me - there's no logic in just assuming that all these bones now found on the surface were buried and able to fossilise completely - before being brought to the surface by erosion and reburied throughout those millions of years.
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No one is assuming this. One can tell the difference between a fossilized bone and a bone that has never been fossilized.

Also I supect that you don't realize that it quite normal to find these fossils only partially uncovered. Indeed that is almost always the case for the more complete finds.
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Surely there should be nothing left - 3 or more million years is a very very very long time - plenty of time for these things to be no more.
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The fossil itself has become a rock itself.
Rocks can last millions of years. Indeed the rocks which bones and other hard body parts form are usually harder than the surrounding rocks.

It was just all this that I can't get my mind around.


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But then is it not just plain bad logic to assume that the fossil was buried so deep that the erosion that took place over the millions of years didn't bring it to the surface until now?
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By this reasoning it should be impossible to find any rock millions of years old. Since that is false -- we have many rocks that old -- this argument is moot.
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