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Jamie_L · 01-17-2002, 08:07 AM

You have to love good old Geroge W. Bush.

It takes a certain kind of person to solemnly proclaim the importance of Religious Freedom in America, and follow it up with a call for people to pray to God.

<a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/latest&f=02011608.tlt&t=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml" target="_blank">http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/latest&f=02011608.tlt&t=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml</a>

Reading between the lines, it's quite clear that "Religious Freedom Day" has nothing to do with true religious freedom - that is freedom from religion. Especially from George W.'s evangelical monotheism. Good Americans pray. Others... well, let's not talk about them.

And all you Pagans and hethens need to understand that the leader of your government thinks you should be praying subjects of his God. But I'm not endorsing any particular religion *wink* *wink*.

Jamie

Toto · 01-17-2002, 09:22 AM

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NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 16, 2002, as Religious Freedom Day. I urge all Americans to observe this day by asking for the blessing and protection of Almighty God for our Nation, and to engage in appropriate ceremonies and activities in their homes, schools, and places of worship as a sign of our resolve to protect and preserve our religious freedom.

Appropriate activities for Religious Freedom day:

Read a banned book

Violate one or more of the ten commandments without violating a criminal law

Eat non-kosher food

Burn some incense to a pagan god

Rent a sacriligious video

Do your part to piss off the religious right.

Toto · 01-17-2002, 10:03 AM

<a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=000075" target="_blank">Another thread on this in the Politics Forum</a>

Mageth · 01-17-2002, 10:14 AM

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 16, 2002, as Religious Freedom Day. I urge all Americans to observe this day by asking for the blessing and protection of Almighty God for our Nation, and to engage in appropriate ceremonies and activities in their homes, schools, and places of worship as a sign of our resolve to protect and preserve our religious freedom.

I don't think I've ever heard such irony from a President. Obviously, to him, "religious freedom" means freedom to impose your (christian) religion on others whenever and wherever you want.

YupAnotherInfidel · 01-17-2002, 12:10 PM

Wow, after reading that I nearly lost my lunch. How sickening. What a crock. What I want is freedom... from idiots like Bush shoving their ridiculous beliefs down my throat every where I turn. Argggghhh! I swear, the first thought that came to my mind upon reading his "speech" was: this guy sounds like he should be comitted to a mental institution. Yammering on about some "Amighty God" or something. It's almost creepy to think that I live in a country where the supposed majority of people think like this. It's like that Invasion of the Body Snatchers movie (the version with that Sutherland guy) at the end. And now with the war on "terror", it's just getting worse every day...

Krieger · 01-17-2002, 12:21 PM

When Shrub says "freedom of religion" what he is trying to say is "freedom of Middle-Eastern religions", which are Xianity, Judaism, and Islam. He does not believe in freedom for other kinds of beliefs.

Jane Marple · 01-17-2002, 01:22 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen:
That's America... or that's the idea that I have of America: a country that stands for the good old values of the French Revolution (libert�, �galit� et fraternit�) and is capable of such great paradox: State and Religion are a mixed institution. When the american leaders say "By God and Country" or "So help me God" or swear over the Bible on a trial... I shake, I shake because mixing those things may only lead to one thing: fundamentalism, just like the talibans... <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

"O homem mediano que n�o sabe o que fazer com a sua vida, necessita de algu�m que viva eternamente." - Anatole France

moon · 01-17-2002, 03:06 PM

As far as I know, Bush II has never even mentioned non-believers. It's as if we don't exist in his world. And, according to his father we shouldn't be considered citizens.

This omission is quite striking when you here Tony Blair speaking about the evil that was done to people of all faiths, and people of none. That "people of none" just jumps out at you, because you never, ever hear it from American politicians.

Mageth · 01-17-2002, 03:23 PM

Welcome Jane Marple! I hope you've come to stay awhile.

BTW, in your profile, you say you believe in "Manking." That's either a typo or there's a new activity or deity I didn't know about...(or perhaps you believe in man-king?)

01-17-2002, 05:12 PM

I think Pretzel Boy is trying desperately to put up an even greater facade of righteousness before the Enron thing blows up in his face.

As for Religous Freedom Day, to me it's just another day.

grrrrrrrr...

01-17-2002, 08:07 AM	#1
Jamie_L Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,565	Bush pushes religion in Religious Freedom prolamation You have to love good old Geroge W. Bush. It takes a certain kind of person to solemnly proclaim the importance of Religious Freedom in America, and follow it up with a call for people to pray to God. <a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/latest&f=02011608.tlt&t=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml" target="_blank">http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/latest&f=02011608.tlt&t=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml</a> Reading between the lines, it's quite clear that "Religious Freedom Day" has nothing to do with true religious freedom - that is freedom from religion. Especially from George W.'s evangelical monotheism. Good Americans pray. Others... well, let's not talk about them. And all you Pagans and hethens need to understand that the leader of your government thinks you should be praying subjects of his God. But I'm not endorsing any particular religion wink wink. Jamie

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01-17-2002, 10:03 AM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	<a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=000075" target="_blank">Another thread on this in the Politics Forum</a>

01-17-2002, 10:14 AM	#4
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim January 16, 2002, as Religious Freedom Day. I urge all Americans to observe this day by asking for the blessing and protection of Almighty God for our Nation, and to engage in appropriate ceremonies and activities in their homes, schools, and places of worship as a sign of our resolve to protect and preserve our religious freedom. I don't think I've ever heard such irony from a President. Obviously, to him, "religious freedom" means freedom to impose your (christian) religion on others whenever and wherever you want.

01-17-2002, 12:10 PM	#5
YupAnotherInfidel New Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1	Wow, after reading that I nearly lost my lunch. How sickening. What a crock. What I want is freedom... from idiots like Bush shoving their ridiculous beliefs down my throat every where I turn. Argggghhh! I swear, the first thought that came to my mind upon reading his "speech" was: this guy sounds like he should be comitted to a mental institution. Yammering on about some "Amighty God" or something. It's almost creepy to think that I live in a country where the supposed majority of people think like this. It's like that Invasion of the Body Snatchers movie (the version with that Sutherland guy) at the end. And now with the war on "terror", it's just getting worse every day...

01-17-2002, 12:21 PM	#6
Krieger Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ... Posts: 2,191	When Shrub says "freedom of religion" what he is trying to say is "freedom of Middle-Eastern religions", which are Xianity, Judaism, and Islam. He does not believe in freedom for other kinds of beliefs.

01-17-2002, 01:22 PM	#7
Jane Marple Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coimbra - Portugal Posts: 9	Ladies and Gentlemen: That's America... or that's the idea that I have of America: a country that stands for the good old values of the French Revolution (libert�, �galit� et fraternit�) and is capable of such great paradox: State and Religion are a mixed institution. When the american leaders say "By God and Country" or "So help me God" or swear over the Bible on a trial... I shake, I shake because mixing those things may only lead to one thing: fundamentalism, just like the talibans... <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" /> "O homem mediano que n�o sabe o que fazer com a sua vida, necessita de algu�m que viva eternamente." - Anatole France

01-17-2002, 03:06 PM	#8
moon Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: former British colony Posts: 2,013	As far as I know, Bush II has never even mentioned non-believers. It's as if we don't exist in his world. And, according to his father we shouldn't be considered citizens. This omission is quite striking when you here Tony Blair speaking about the evil that was done to people of all faiths, and people of none. That "people of none" just jumps out at you, because you never, ever hear it from American politicians.

01-17-2002, 03:23 PM	#9
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Welcome Jane Marple! I hope you've come to stay awhile. BTW, in your profile, you say you believe in "Manking." That's either a typo or there's a new activity or deity I didn't know about...(or perhaps you believe in man-king?)

01-17-2002, 05:12 PM	#10
BlueGreenAlga Guest Posts: n/a	I think Pretzel Boy is trying desperately to put up an even greater facade of righteousness before the Enron thing blows up in his face. As for Religous Freedom Day, to me it's just another day. grrrrrrrr...

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