Magus55

Just speaking the truth. This world is corrupt. The general outlook of this world is, what can I do for me, instead of some one else. And yes, i'm often guilty of this too. I never said I don't belong in the category that i'm assigning to the world.

The difference is, to the atheist, the world will never get much better. Science and techonology will NEVER make greed, selfishness, anger, hate, violence etc. go away. In fact it will make it worse. More expensive toys to buy, more money, more destructive weapons being created. Peace can't exist in the atheistic world.

Fortunately, God will bring peace to the world. So i guess you could say I have a better outlook on life, only i untrust the world getting better through God, instead of humans who ruined it in the first place.

King Rat

WOW! And I thought I was a misanthrope! Nothing like religion to plumb the darkest depths of guilt and shame. I also find the Luddism ironic, an anti science diatribe posted on a computer, schweet!

Magus55

I have nothing against most science. But i don't expect it to ever make the world much better as a whole.

King Rat

Okay, since religion has been doing such a bang up job at making the world a better place, I guess science is uneccessary right?

Magus55

Organized Religion is run by humans. So, no, religion in and of itself will never make the world better. God on the other hand will. God and organized religion are two separate things.

Heathen Dawn

Life is waiting for that moment ... make that a 3.5 billion-year wait.

King Rat

Interesting. So, you have a made-up belief too? Like Emotional used to, and Sophist does still? I wonder if this is the wave of belief in the future. In order to counter any logical argument you can just say "well, that's not how my god works, " and avoid the uncomfortable question entirely.

See Magus55 the problem is, that is pretty much how all religions got their start, ya know. Same as it ever was.

Additionally, how come your interpretation is the right one? Do you have a direct line to god? Thing is, I've heard that one before too.

Theli

No wonder the world is heading down the toilet then, if everyone sits on their asses waiting for god to fix everything.
If this god is about to make his glorious entrance it will probably not be in our lifetime, so doesn't it make sense for us to try to make the best of our time? even if it in the long run is in vain?

Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
Just speaking the truth. This world is corrupt. The general outlook of this world is, what can I do for me, instead of some one else. And yes, i'm often guilty of this too. I never said I don't belong in the category that i'm assigning to the world.

The fact is, sometimes altruism is the right thing, and sometimes a little selfishness is the right thing. There's no one response that's appropriate in every situation. The idea that selfishness is entirely evil is one of the many great deceptions that's been pulled on the world by religions - mostly to get you to put lotsa dollars in the plate when it passes down the pew.

The difference is, to the atheist, the world will never get much better.

I still hold out hope. I have to; if the world's gonna get better, it's up to us.

Science and techonology will NEVER make greed, selfishness, anger, hate, violence etc. go away.

Umm, I don't claim it will.

In fact it will make it worse.

Tell me how science and technology can be applied to make any of those "evils" worse?

More expensive toys to buy, more money, more destructive weapons being created.

Well, if there's enough "more money", you can afford the more expensive toys.

Violence is not "worse" because of more destructive weapons; it's more efficient.

Peace can't exist in the atheistic world.

Well, let's look at the theistic world's track record for peace for the last few tousand years, why don't we? How much peace do you see? You said in another thread that "5+ billion" people believed in God. How much peace is there today in the world, with all those theists?

Fortunately, God will bring peace to the world.

That's the promise, I suppose, but if you read the prophecies, he brings it with a sword.

So i guess you could say I have a better outlook on life,

Riight, the world is corrupt, it's only going to get worse, there's nothing we can do about it, it's all our fault anyway, but someday my War God's gonna come down and kick some serious ass at Armageddon and make us behave! That's not a very good outlook on life.

only i untrust the world getting better through God, instead of humans who ruined it in the first place.

Hey, God made this Lemon. Do Lemon Laws apply to worlds?

Magus55

Yes, actually I do have a direct line to God, as do all believers. Its called prayer.