Amos

Well now, you were splitting hairs when you asked "who can" and therefore I was forced to say that "nobody can" while I should have said that "no rational mind can" because the non-rational mind (that always existed in us) must find us (the rational mind).

The problem with this is that we cannot pretent to get lost so this will happen because our pretension will still be a rational act and therefore we cannot "get lost," or even "wait" for this to happen (as I suggested earlier). Here again, all our efforts will prevent its happening. It's like Golding said in "the Spire: "[Awakening] is as easy as eating and drinking . . . but we cannot even have one eye asquint towards it."

sophie

Doctor X : : It is written in the book of myths that all those who encounter the garden Eden shall forever cherish its golden memories.

I guess that's why it has become a mobile home. I think it may be more than 5 times square by now,

conkermaniac

While I was doing a search for the Pishon and the Gihon river, I found this fundy site that thought that the following scripture (from Ezekiel) actually meant that Eden was turned into a desert. Talk about misinterpretation!

Arken

Can someone please translate what Volker and Amos are talking about to a human language so I might comprehend it? Thanks.

Doctor X

Volker listed probable mythic predescessors to Eden.

Amos is giving his beliefs.

--J.D.

NZAmoeba

I just love the conclusions people draw when it comes to discovering religious artefacts...

"We found evidence of a rainforest that used to be in the middle east, therefore it was a paradise, therefore it was eden." Just don't mention that pretty much every landmass going was once a forest at some time or another...

"We found a chariot wheel in the Red Sea, hence Moses must be real" Despite the fact that they find lots of other junk in the seabed too....

Volker.Doormann

Volker.Doormann: ... Not to find with the mind."
Amos.". . . but can only be found in the mind."
Volker.Doormann: "And who is it, who can find it in the mind?"
Amos: "Aha, good question. Nobody can ... "

? Sorry. First you call it a good question, and now this should be hair splitting (?).

It seems, that this gymnastic of the mind proves by evidence here, that Eden is invariant to the mind. Isn't it? I don’t think so. The logic, that claim to know, that ‘we’ know not before waiting, is not a logic. Moreover, it suggest wrongly, that time (‘waiting’) is involved in cognition. But time is a phantom only used in causal energetic processes not to be separated from energy, as electricity is not to be separated from magnetism. Truth is truth; truth is eternal, invariant of time as a seven is always greater as a six. Religions, especially Hinduisms, or Christianity selling this nonsense, one gets effects (‘knowledge’, ‘cognition’) out of nothing, but time. Knowledge and cognition is a result of causality. If one does not listen to the own reality of his imperfection, and perceiving the truth about the falsehood in it, no knowledge will be then. You cannot keep on going (process in time) enslave souls in spiritual darkness (‘for example about the truth about the true meaning of the symbol: ‘The garden of joy’ = ‘gan eden’), and expect, that these slaves are thankful about this imprisonment served by religions. Either they can show light or not; all other is charlatanry.

It is this a classic example of mixing up social power to ‘guide’ groups like wolves, Christians, baboons, nations, etc. - with the absolute individual experience of spirituality as soul in a fleshly body. As I have it written here before, no church and no religion can replace the individual experience of the own soul in a fleshly body.

And to come back to that holy symbol ‘Eden’ = ‘garden of joy’, this individual experience is touching that holy symbol ‘Eden’ = ‘garden of joy’, were two people lay down in peace.

Volker

Amos

I made it perfectly clear that we cannot find Eden with our mind because our mind is the only thing that separates us from Eden. Eden is known to us because it is ours and all we have to do is crucify our own conscious mind to return to Eden but since we cannot rationally crucify our own mind we cannot get to Eden and so we must employ a mystery religion to do this for us.